From: Bill Walker on

"Mike" <mgldwng(a)aol.com> wrote in message
news:1181960863.714103.32910(a)m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 15, 9:18 pm, "Ed Hart" <ed-h...(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> Nah.An't getting involved.These are people that are of very good
>> standings.We lick our wounds,learn our lessons and get on with
>> life.Thanks
>> for your concern.Have a great day.Over and out.
>>
>> --
>> Ed Hart
>> The supreme irony of life is that hardly
>> anyone gets out of it alive.
>>
>> "Mike" <mgld...(a)aol.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1181959852.593603.122560(a)k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > On Jun 15, 6:52 pm, "Ed Hart" <ed-h...(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> > > I have been quiet in this.Now I will say my dollars worth.
>> > > Long before Brian Walker praised the shop at Renegades and suggested
>> anyone
>> > > here please use them because they were a good bunch of guys and he
>> > > was
>> > > wanting to help their business,I had 3 friends that used them and
>> > > they
>> > > SCREWED ALL of them equally.After Brian praised them,I went by there
>> > > and
>> > > looked at the inside of the storefront.Regardless of anyones opinion
>> > > of
>> me
>> > > or my judgement,I saw serious problems.I kept my mouth shut
>> anyway.Well,I
>> > > just opened it.
>> > > Brian:
>> > > Identical to screwing a gal that gave several of your friends the
>> CRUD.You
>> > > may get away from it several times,but if you keep going back,sooner
>> > > or
>> > > later,you will get it also.
>> > > Not judging anyone here.Just my opinion.
>> > > Brian,go get you a shot of pennicillin and be damn glad it was
>> something
>> > > you could get ride of.
>> > > Life Goes On---------------------
>>
>> > > --
>> > > Ed Hart
>> > > The supreme irony of life is that hardly
>> > > anyone gets out of it alive.
>>
>> > > "Bill Walker" <bill.walk...(a)verizon.net> wrote in message
>>
>> > >news:5NEci.51$%t6.12(a)trnddc02...
>>
>> > > > <mgld...(a)aol.com> wrote in message
>> > > >news:1181941126.243615.252350(a)p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>> > > > >I spent about 30 minutes writing a response to BRIAN WALKERS posts
>> and
>> > > > > decided not to post them here. I want to go on record as saying
>> > > > > we
>> did
>> > > > > nothing wrong with his bike, he abused and cursed everyone within
>> > > > > earshot, called another customer an SOB and basically spent about
>> > > > > 30
>> > > > > minutes issuing terrorist threats. If you would like to hear the
>> whole
>> > > > > story, call me at (972) 681-3588 and I will take the time to tell
>> you
>> > > > > our side. Brian is a liar at the least and a threat to society at
>> > > > > best. Had Brian entered our store with a decent attitude, things
>> would
>> > > > > have worked out much differently for him. I feel sorry for him as
>> > > > > an
>> > > > > individual. It's apparent he has many issues with life in
>> > > > > general.
>> By
>> > > > > the way, if you have access to publicdata.com, look Brian up.
>> > > > > As a good will gesture, I have given Brians phone number to 3
>> > > > > individuals who have called in the last 2 days interested in the
>> bike.
>> > > > > Brian, have a great day !
>>
>> > > > I am Brians' Dad and hardly unbiased.. Then again, I've been in
>> > > > your
>> > > > shop and place of business.. If you recall, I've made several
>> > > > attempts
>> > > > to do business with Renegade motorcycles in the past few years..
>> > > > That was on the recommendation of none other but Brian Walker..
>>
>> > > > Noticeably, you did not sign your post on this newsgroup, so I have
>> > > > no
>> > > > idea who I'm addressing, at this point..
>>
>> > > > For one reason or another, I've never allowed your shop to work on
>> > > > my
>> > > > motorcycle.. Mostly, that has been due to the questionable
>> > > > abilities
>> of
>> > > > your own technicians working there..
>>
>> > > > Several of the participants on this newsgroup rode with Brian when
>> > > > he
>> > > > was mounted on that same motorcycle which was consigned to your
>> > > > business, for sale.. For what it is worth, we all know that
>> > > > motorcycle
>> > > > and can vouch for it's condition.. And, I think for your own
>> information,
>> > > > and common knowledge amongst our friends on this newsgroup.. your
>> > > > business is fortunate that it wasn't my motorcycle which you
>> > > > obviously
>> > > > abused, while it was entrusted to you..
>>
>> > > > Most importantly.. the general condition of the motorcycles which
>> gen-
>> > > > erally sit in front of your store would be considered mostly
>> > > > salvage
>> by
>> > > > many of the riders who Brian and me ride with..
>>
>> > > > The tenor and tone of your post that you've seen fit to put on this
>> news-
>> > > > group is an indictment of yourself.. Obviously, you and your
>> > > > employees
>> > > > are liable for the condition which that motorcycle was recovered by
>> > > Brian..
>>
>> > > > There is no question of it's condition when it was placed in your
>> > > > possession.
>> > > > There is also no question of it's condition when Brian recovered
>> > > > it..
>>
>> > > > Calling Brian a liar and informing the public about his tirade and
>> > > > supposedly
>> > > > bad attitude in your shop, doesn't alleviate your lack of
>> responsibility
>> > > in
>> > > > the neglect and abuse of that motorcycle while you had possession
>> > > > of
>> it..
>>
>> > > > Bill Walker
>> > > > Irving, Tx.
>>
>> > Ed,
>> > You say we have screwed 3 people that you know. That's easy to say.
>> > Why don't you name names. I could just as easily say you robbed 15
>> > banks, and not name names. Give facts, not he said she said. Thanks.
>
> I keep records on all our customers. If someone feels they were
> screwed, I want to fix it. Should I just send you a check so you can
> distribute the funds to your imaginary friends ? You don't want to get
> involved but you don't mind throwing stones with no substance behind
> your allegations. Can't help without knowing who feels like they got
> shafted.

Hey Mike.. Leave Ed out of this.. he's trying to back away from the
entire mess.. let him..

You committed to resolving the issue with Brian Walker and that is your
first concern, don't you think ? You also stated several times that you'd
not be involved in this to-do on usenet, any furthur..

Like I said before.. this newsgroup will be interested to know the status
of that resolution .. Except for the two or three northern twits who seem
so involved in all this.. everyone has backed away from the heat, or are
trying to.. I really don't see the wisdom of your posting on this newsgroup
anyway, from the beginning..

Continuing to fan these flames with comments to Ed Hart and others, only
makes bad matters worse.. Resolve the issue with Brian and all is well..
isn't it ?
>


From: Calgary on
On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 02:46:30 GMT, Ari Rankum
<ari_rankum(a)invalid.invalid> wrote:

>Bill's right: I've never had any dealings with Renegade. Nonetheless,
>just like I'm sorry when a small town has a sewage treatment plant
>overflow across its borders, I'm sorry Renegade had to suffer brian as a
>customer.

Lord knows I have dumped on a few Dealers in my day. I get pissed off
just like the next guy when things go sour. And none of those
situations were my fault. <g>

Hell when I was a kid I took my 750 Honda into the shop to get a tune
up and carb sink. I rode it to the shop and had to push it home. The
damn thing was idling near 2500 rpm. The mechanic said everything was
set to spec and the owner said pay the bill or we won't give you your
bike back. I wish I knew then what I know now. The outcome of that
disagreement would have been far different.

If there was an internet then I would have made Brian's whining and
venting look like a compliment to a dear friend.

Like you, I know didly squat about Renegade, but the owner did make an
offer to resolve the situation. Seems to me it was the basis for a
settlement, fair to both parties.


--


24 hours in a day
&
24 beer in a case

Coincidence?

I think not
From: Calgary on
On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 02:48:15 GMT, "Bill Walker"
<bill.walker2(a)verizon.net> wrote:

>
>Even mentioning "integrity" in the context of Keith Schiffner or Ari
>Rankum is laughable..

Well Bill I don't share your opinion, but recognize you do have your
democratic right to be wrong.


--


24 hours in a day
&
24 beer in a case

Coincidence?

I think not
From: Calgary on
On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 20:16:34 -0700, Brian Walker
<shadowrider34(a)hotmail.com> wrote:

>
>I'll let you know what the final bill on all this comes to. If you
>have so much money that you can act this way and let a consigned
>motorcycle get into this state, I'll be more than happy to let you put
>that money back into this bike and repair what your shop let happen.

You know for what it is worth, my Venture was on consignment at a
Dealer when I bought it a few years back. The battery was dead when I
wanted to seriously check it out. I wasn't too concerned about it.
Long story, short I ended up buying the bike and the dealer provided a
new battery, no charge to either me or the bike's owner, who I have
gotten to know quite well over the past couple of years.

So that's good, but unknown to me at the time, the Dealer had stripped
a few parts off the bike like the saddlebag inserts and the trailer
hitch. Of course, since the previous owner and I have become friends,
he is aware of the missing pieces and has had a chat with the Dealer.

All were happy at the time.

What has this got to do with your problem, well nothin I guess, but I
felt like passing it along anyway.


--


24 hours in a day
&
24 beer in a case

Coincidence?

I think not
From: Keith Schiffner on
SNIP
I mean who really listens to the guy come on!
> Well Bill I don't share your opinion, but recognize you do have your
> democratic right to be wrong.

Indeed as does everyone on the planet. It just seems that he is on lifetime
bender to outdo everyone. I mean come on, I vent my spleen (too often I think)
but Bill puts me to shame in the needless spleen letting category and brian
isn't too far behind.

Sheesh, I killfile them. I only replay to other posters and pertinent bits left
there and these two just keep at it. I don't get it are they that dumb? Hell
even I get a clue!

They need serious anti-psychotic drugs in my opinion.
--
Keith Schiffner
Assistant to the Assistant Undersecretary of the Ministry of Silly Walks.
"terrorist organization" is a redundancy


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