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From: Diogenes on 8 Apr 2010 19:33 On Fri, 09 Apr 2010 00:09:27 +1000, atec7 7 <""atec77 \"@ hotmail.com"> wrote: > Noisy pipes can save lives Doof doof stereos can save lives. Flash grenades can save lives. The sound of screeching brakes can save lives. The sound of a thousand hands clapping can save lives. And on it goes... But you're missing the point entirely. A solution is only a _viable_ solution if it works when everyone does it. If everyone were to make significantly more noise than everyone else, what you'd get is a feedback loop the end result of which would be global deafness and a damage bill that would make the cost of rebuilding Jericho look like small change. Grow a brain, dude. And until then, for everyone's safety, stay off the roads. ================= Onya bike Gerry
From: atec7 7 ""atec77 " on 8 Apr 2010 23:36 Kevin Gleeson wrote: > On Thu, 8 Apr 2010 20:39:40 +0000 (UTC), Zebee Johnstone > <zebeej(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> In aus.motorcycles on Fri, 09 Apr 2010 00:09:27 +1000 >> atec7 7 <""> wrote: >>> Noisy pipes can save lives >>> did you notice todays in the news was some bloke who didn't see xing >>> lights and got hit by a train ? >>> I don't like loud bikes either but a louder train might have been >>> heard and a louder bike might stop some retard in a 4door doing a right >>> turn in front of a motorcycle >> Don't do much country riding? Trains have very loud horns and they >> use them when coming to a crossing. >> >> And as for pipes... when the human ear inside a car can precisely >> locate a fire engine or ambulance by the sound of the siren and the >> owner of the ear is guaranteed to do the right thing, then I'll >> believe that. >> >> As someone who has ridden the same bike in the same commute with and >> without a loud pipe on it, the idea that it is some kind of secondary >> safety is rubbish. >> >> And telling people it might help is just encouraging them to stop >> using the safety device between their ears. No passive safety device >> is worth anything at all. Only your brains and paying enough >> attention will stop you getting splatted. > > Was about to reply to this thread but then noticed Zebee's post and > again she has posted a succinct summation of what I would have said. > > The only thing I'd add is that; think of Doppler effect as well, you > only really hear that noisy bike as it passes you, ie by the time it > is way too late. As a safety factor it is total bollocks. > > Kev Yup you are correct . however it's great to see jerry deafened by the whoosh :) pisstake ? no not me
From: Albm&ctd on 9 Apr 2010 02:13 In article <slrnhrsfln.2qbe.zebeej(a)gmail.com>, zebeej(a)gmail.com says... > As someone who has ridden the same bike in the same commute with and > without a loud pipe on it, the idea that it is some kind of secondary > safety is rubbish. > Back in the '70's I had a 350 twin with Dunstall Decibels (sp) (read loud) then I bought a 350-4 with four standard pipes that one could hardly hear. I found out quickly by the shocked look on one drivers faces that he failed to hear the quiet bike. It was close to a T-bone... not in my favour. Stoopid EPA noise laws have killed bike riders and thamkfully N1 was not brought in. Al -- I don't take sides. It's more fun to insult everyone. http://kwakakid.cjb.net/insult.html
From: CrazyCam on 9 Apr 2010 02:15 thefathippy wrote: <snip> > Of course, my response is only based on anecdotal evidence, however, I > have noticed that car drivers have seemed more aware of me when I'm on > a loud bike than when I'm on a quiet bike (my current bikes have > standard exhausts). I've always put it down to what I call the "bikie > phenomenon". Bikies are horrible scary people, and might kill me if I > upset them. Bikies have loud pipes. That bike has loud pipes. The > rider might be a bikie. I'd better watch out for them, so they don't > kill me. I,too, noticed that. But it wasn't just noisy exhaust pipes, it was a combination of VERY noisy exhaust pipes, a cruiser style bike, that, from a distance looked like a Harley, a Drizabone riding vest, with patch on the back (You lot would know it was only a Ulysses Club patch, but Joe Soap car driver didn't, and a general demeanor of being a "bikie". Same bike didn't work nearly as well, riding in a business suit, shirt and tie. > Another thing I've noticed is that drivers sit much closer to my tail > when I'm riding physically smaller bikes - big tough bikies ride big > tough bikes. Oh yes! Tell me about it! :-| > Evidence? No. Scientific? No. Something I find interesting? Yes. ditto regards, CrazyCam
From: CrazyCam on 9 Apr 2010 02:31
Diogenes wrote: > On Fri, 09 Apr 2010 00:09:27 +1000, atec7 7 <""atec77 \"@ > hotmail.com"> wrote: > >> Noisy pipes can save lives > > Doof doof stereos can save lives. > > Flash grenades can save lives. > > The sound of screeching brakes can save lives. > > The sound of a thousand hands clapping can save lives. > > And on it goes... > > But you're missing the point entirely. A solution is only a _viable_ > solution if it works when everyone does it. Gerry, you are a genius. That's the biggest problem, we have such a range of incompetent drivers and riders out there that there isn't one simple solution. Over the years I have experimented with a variety of methods of getting car drivers to actually notice me, on a motorbike. Loud pipes only worked to a limited extent, and I certainly wouldn't bet my life on them. Riding a flouro PINK motorcycle also seemed to work, but with same caveat. Bright orange overalls, yellow leathers, a variety of aids to "visibility", I've tried, and, they seem to work for me, but again I wouldn't bet on them working, and the last thing I'd want is everyone else doing the same. I've even spent money on making the BMW's headlight switchable to OFF, and fitted a couple of wee lights to use as day-time running lights, all to achieve the "different" look. Frankly, the best I have found is riding a "cute" bike, as in the Z50 Honda. I still won't bet my life on it, but it does seem to be noticed much more than any other bike. Again, the last thing I want, is for the roads to be full of wee cute bikes, 'cos that would make mine just blend in. regards, CrazyCam |