From: Diogenes on 8 Apr 2010 19:33
On Fri, 09 Apr 2010 00:09:27 +1000, atec7 7 <""atec77 \"@
> Noisy pipes can save lives
Doof doof stereos can save lives.
Flash grenades can save lives.
The sound of screeching brakes can save lives.
The sound of a thousand hands clapping can save lives.
And on it goes...
But you're missing the point entirely. A solution is only a _viable_
solution if it works when everyone does it. If everyone were to make
significantly more noise than everyone else, what you'd get is a
feedback loop the end result of which would be global deafness and a
damage bill that would make the cost of rebuilding Jericho look like
Grow a brain, dude. And until then, for everyone's safety, stay off
From: atec7 7 ""atec77 " on 8 Apr 2010 23:36
Kevin Gleeson wrote:
> On Thu, 8 Apr 2010 20:39:40 +0000 (UTC), Zebee Johnstone
> <zebeej(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> In aus.motorcycles on Fri, 09 Apr 2010 00:09:27 +1000
>> atec7 7 <""> wrote:
>>> Noisy pipes can save lives
>>> did you notice todays in the news was some bloke who didn't see xing
>>> lights and got hit by a train ?
>>> I don't like loud bikes either but a louder train might have been
>>> heard and a louder bike might stop some retard in a 4door doing a right
>>> turn in front of a motorcycle
>> Don't do much country riding? Trains have very loud horns and they
>> use them when coming to a crossing.
>> And as for pipes... when the human ear inside a car can precisely
>> locate a fire engine or ambulance by the sound of the siren and the
>> owner of the ear is guaranteed to do the right thing, then I'll
>> believe that.
>> As someone who has ridden the same bike in the same commute with and
>> without a loud pipe on it, the idea that it is some kind of secondary
>> safety is rubbish.
>> And telling people it might help is just encouraging them to stop
>> using the safety device between their ears. No passive safety device
>> is worth anything at all. Only your brains and paying enough
>> attention will stop you getting splatted.
> Was about to reply to this thread but then noticed Zebee's post and
> again she has posted a succinct summation of what I would have said.
> The only thing I'd add is that; think of Doppler effect as well, you
> only really hear that noisy bike as it passes you, ie by the time it
> is way too late. As a safety factor it is total bollocks.
Yup you are correct . however it's great to see jerry deafened by the
no not me
From: Albm&ctd on 9 Apr 2010 02:13
In article <slrnhrsfln.2qbe.zebeej(a)gmail.com>, zebeej(a)gmail.com says...
> As someone who has ridden the same bike in the same commute with and
> without a loud pipe on it, the idea that it is some kind of secondary
> safety is rubbish.
Back in the '70's I had a 350 twin with Dunstall Decibels (sp) (read loud) then
I bought a 350-4 with four standard pipes that one could hardly hear. I found
out quickly by the shocked look on one drivers faces that he failed to hear the
quiet bike. It was close to a T-bone... not in my favour.
Stoopid EPA noise laws have killed bike riders and thamkfully N1 was not brought
I don't take sides.
It's more fun to insult everyone.
From: CrazyCam on 9 Apr 2010 02:15
> Of course, my response is only based on anecdotal evidence, however, I
> have noticed that car drivers have seemed more aware of me when I'm on
> a loud bike than when I'm on a quiet bike (my current bikes have
> standard exhausts). I've always put it down to what I call the "bikie
> phenomenon". Bikies are horrible scary people, and might kill me if I
> upset them. Bikies have loud pipes. That bike has loud pipes. The
> rider might be a bikie. I'd better watch out for them, so they don't
> kill me.
I,too, noticed that.
But it wasn't just noisy exhaust pipes, it was a combination of VERY
noisy exhaust pipes, a cruiser style bike, that, from a distance looked
like a Harley, a Drizabone riding vest, with patch on the back (You lot
would know it was only a Ulysses Club patch, but Joe Soap car driver
didn't, and a general demeanor of being a "bikie".
Same bike didn't work nearly as well, riding in a business suit, shirt
> Another thing I've noticed is that drivers sit much closer to my tail
> when I'm riding physically smaller bikes - big tough bikies ride big
> tough bikes.
Oh yes! Tell me about it! :-|
> Evidence? No. Scientific? No. Something I find interesting? Yes.
From: CrazyCam on 9 Apr 2010 02:31
> On Fri, 09 Apr 2010 00:09:27 +1000, atec7 7 <""atec77 \"@
> hotmail.com"> wrote:
>> Noisy pipes can save lives
> Doof doof stereos can save lives.
> Flash grenades can save lives.
> The sound of screeching brakes can save lives.
> The sound of a thousand hands clapping can save lives.
> And on it goes...
> But you're missing the point entirely. A solution is only a _viable_
> solution if it works when everyone does it.
Gerry, you are a genius.
That's the biggest problem, we have such a range of incompetent drivers
and riders out there that there isn't one simple solution.
Over the years I have experimented with a variety of methods of getting
car drivers to actually notice me, on a motorbike.
Loud pipes only worked to a limited extent, and I certainly wouldn't bet
my life on them.
Riding a flouro PINK motorcycle also seemed to work, but with same caveat.
Bright orange overalls, yellow leathers, a variety of aids to
"visibility", I've tried, and, they seem to work for me, but again I
wouldn't bet on them working, and the last thing I'd want is everyone
else doing the same.
I've even spent money on making the BMW's headlight switchable to OFF,
and fitted a couple of wee lights to use as day-time running lights, all
to achieve the "different" look.
Frankly, the best I have found is riding a "cute" bike, as in the Z50
Honda. I still won't bet my life on it, but it does seem to be
noticed much more than any other bike.
Again, the last thing I want, is for the roads to be full of wee cute
bikes, 'cos that would make mine just blend in.