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From: Nev.. on 12 Apr 2010 05:33 On 12/04/2010 4:48 PM, CrazyCam wrote: > Zebee Johnstone wrote: >> In aus.motorcycles on Mon, 12 Apr 2010 08:26:53 +1000 >> CrazyCam <CrazyCam(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: >>> The figures for police motorcycle crashes should be fairly available, >>> and they'd qualify as being a potential "threat" to many car drivers. >>> >>> Are they better or worse than the general bike crashing population? >> >> are all other factors: training, exposure, type of riding, type of >> crash, the same? >> >> I somehow doubt it... > > Of course all the other factors aren't the same, but I'd still like to > see a comparison of their crash rate with the rest of the motorcyclists > crash rate. Dont have the crash rates, but in Victoria, the CTP insurance premium for a police motorcycle is $430, compared to $513 for a privately owned over 500cc bike, or $376 for a 125cc-500cc motorcycle. No doubt reflective of the high level of police rider training. And the next time a cop in a car gives you advice on safe driving, give them this advice, in Victoria the CTP charge for a passenger vehicle is $429, however if that vehicle is owned by the police the cost is $1,520. The numbers don't lie. The Victorian government's own insurer considers that a police officer driving a police car is likely to inflict almost 4 times as much damage on the public than anyone else driving anything else. Nev.. '08 DL1000K8
From: Deevo on 12 Apr 2010 09:01 "Zebee Johnstone" <zebeej(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:slrnhs4a73.332.zebeej(a)gmail.com... > In aus.motorcycles on Sun, 11 Apr 2010 13:12:28 GMT > Deevo <deevo37(a)NOSPAMbigpond.com> wrote: >> "Zebee Johnstone" <zebeej(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >> news:slrnhs1pm0.2qp.zebeej(a)gmail.com... >> >> Nothing official, no. Just my own observations on the proportional >> representatioon of various bike types I have seen in wrecking yards. Add >> to >> that when I was working in the trade riding various bikes I found that >> the >> type of bike I was riding seemed to affect the perception of the drivers >> around me. > > Was your riding exactly the same no matter the bike? Given that the various bikes I rode during that period belonged to either my employer or a customer I did tend to be somewhat more cautious on them than I would have been on my own mount of the time (A VF750SD for the record). > I know mine isn't.... Having said that I would agree with you to a certain extent. Riding an RG250 required somewhat different riding to an R80 Bimmer or somesuch. >>> THe only info I have on who gets hit more is by age. Younger riders >>> have more multivehicle crashes, older riders have more solo crashes. >>> >>> Whether this is about experience or exposure is not known. >> >> Sounds like a topic worth pursuing on a more official level. Of course I >> very much doubt that the Petabees would be motivated to study such >> figures >> if there were a correlation. > > Data is the problem. THe MCC of NSW was finally able to get access to > crash reports to try and get some idea of what kind of bike and rider > was having what kind of crash, but the data itself is spotty. > > You have people who know nothing about bikes having to put make and > model, and that isn't very reliable. If the make and model isn't clear > on the bike, they'll guess or ignore. Sometimes you might get > "dirt bike" but if it's a road bike they might just say "large bike" > and that could be a Wing, an Electraglide, or a CB900RR. There's a > lot of noise in the data. (And that's not even touching the whole > "cause of crash" problem...) > > Then it's a matter of working out what the data might mean. You don't > get young riders on cruisers, but do you get older riders using their > bikes in the city as much? Is the reason most cruiser crashes seem to > be single vehicle because older riders have more traffic smarts, or > because most cruiser riders are using them as recreational vehicles > and aren't riding in the city? Time of crash is an obvious help, but > from what I recall of the quick (and early in the data collection) > recap of the finds so far, most crashes were on the weekend so that > doesn't help. > > Exposure is always the problem with things like this. You can match > crash numbers against licences and registration data but you can't > tell how many of those licenced riders actually ride and when and > where, you can't tell how many of those bikes are ridden by the > registered owner or where. > > Doing any kind of counting is an expensive business, and in a city the > size of Sydney a very expensive one. > > We see stats all the time in the papers. What we dont' see is what > they are based on, and how they've been derived. Start delving into > data sets that aren't based on personal (and therefore inevitably > flawed, read the literature on eye witnessses) observation, you > realise how dodgy it all is. Quite right, makes the old saying about lies, damn lies and statistics ring true. I wouls like to see a way that genuinely representative data could be made available, though I still believe that Perceived Threat Syndrome does work, to a degree. :) -- Deevo Geraldton Western Australia
From: Deevo on 12 Apr 2010 09:04 "Zebee Johnstone" <zebeej(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:slrnhs5h4i.4od.zebeej(a)gmail.com... <snip> > Just borrow an ex-police BMW. > > I have seen the results, and it's clearly a very safe bike. Similar to the ex Police XJ750s in Perth a few years back. Seems a white tourer fairing makes you much more recognisable. -- Deevo Geraldton Western Australia
From: Deevo on 12 Apr 2010 09:09 <OzOne(a)Crackerbox-Palace.com> wrote in message news:dp55s51v12ls93gdghblasdlc4egghj36d(a)4ax.com... > On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 13:10:01 +1000, "Mr.T" <MrT(a)home> wrote: > >> >>" Scotty" <scoter1(a)warmmail.com> wrote in message >>news:4bbdba75$0$32441$afc38c87(a)news.optusnet.com.au... >>> Safe riding would fix 90% and safe car drivers the other 10%. >> >>And an actual motorbike rider knows those figures are reversed. Even the >>governments own statistics place 70% of car/bike accidents on car drivers. > > > Yeah...and if riders woke up to the fact that they are smaller and > more difficult to see particularly when they accelerate or change > position quickly, then those numbers would change dramatically. > > Dead right is not a pleasant place! Hey, I drive a car for the most part these days (courtesy of someone in an old Corona who thought stop signs were optional when I was in the intersection on my 125cc Scooter) and I can manage to see motorcycles on the road. Why can't you? -- Deevo Geraldton Western Australia
From: Lars Chance on 12 Apr 2010 10:08
Milton wrote: > > It has always been my policy not to use right indicators on a bike but a > hand signal instead for the reason, too many accidentally leave there > right indicator on and when approaching an intersection with an oncoming > right turning vehicle, of course they are assuming you are turning right > as well and progress around the corner in front of you. > It's a good idea in principle but it must take a long time to train yourself to stop indicating. (I've been indicating on roads for 35 years and I reckon it'd be almost impossible to stop, short of removing the right-hand bulbs!) -- Elsie. |