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From: Nev.. on 9 Apr 2010 19:30 On 10/04/2010 12:14 AM, Lee wrote: > On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 00:00:25 +1000, Nev.. <idiot(a)mindless.com> wrote: > >> On 9/04/2010 10:12 PM, George W Frost wrote: >>> "Nev.."<idiot(a)mindless.com> wrote in message >>> news:2_6dnYUD7Ju4RiPWnZ2dnUVZ_v2dnZ2d(a)westnet.com.au... >>>> On 9/04/2010 9:13 AM, thefathippy wrote: >>>> >>>>> Of course, my response is only based on anecdotal evidence, however, I >>>>> have noticed that car drivers have seemed more aware of me when I'm on >>>>> a loud bike than when I'm on a quiet bike (my current bikes have >>>>> standard exhausts). I've always put it down to what I call the "bikie >>>>> phenomenon". >>>> >>>> From your anecdotal evidence, which bikes did you have loud pipes on >>>> and >>>> which did/do you have quiet pipes on? >>>> >>>> Nev.. >>>> '08 DL1000K8 - Stock pipes, but equipped with 139dB airhorns which make >>>> plenty of noise on demand. >>> >>> And of coarse you know Nev, that the Victorian coppers have declared >>> that >>> air horns are illegal? >> >> Bullshit. >> > what he said. > > *musical* air horns are illegal *to use as your primary horn* > > plain fixed/multi tone air horns are completely legal (as long as the > tone doesn't keep changing). > > > ADR42.4.20.2 applies: > > Warning Device > > Every motor vehicle must be fitted with a least one warning device > capable of giving sufficient audible warning of the presence of the > vehicle. It must give an audible signal having constant amplitude and > frequency characteristics. It may be powered by any energy source > including compressed air. > > > http://www.comlaw.gov.au/comlaw/Legislation/LegislativeInstrumentCompilation1.nsf/0/73A110F4CE0C386FCA257376002046A0?OpenDocument You're wasting your time there trying to explain it to him Lee. Nev.. '08 DL1000K8
From: Nev.. on 9 Apr 2010 19:30 On 10/04/2010 8:20 AM, George W Frost wrote: > "Lee"<tardis42(a)one.of.the.free.providers.com> wrote in message > news:op.vawe6vji2ci74a(a)leethal.local... >> On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 00:00:25 +1000, Nev..<idiot(a)mindless.com> wrote: >> >>> On 9/04/2010 10:12 PM, George W Frost wrote: >>>> "Nev.."<idiot(a)mindless.com> wrote in message >>>> news:2_6dnYUD7Ju4RiPWnZ2dnUVZ_v2dnZ2d(a)westnet.com.au... >>>>> On 9/04/2010 9:13 AM, thefathippy wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Of course, my response is only based on anecdotal evidence, however, I >>>>>> have noticed that car drivers have seemed more aware of me when I'm on >>>>>> a loud bike than when I'm on a quiet bike (my current bikes have >>>>>> standard exhausts). I've always put it down to what I call the "bikie >>>>>> phenomenon". >>>>> >>>>> From your anecdotal evidence, which bikes did you have loud pipes on >>>>> and >>>>> which did/do you have quiet pipes on? >>>>> >>>>> Nev.. >>>>> '08 DL1000K8 - Stock pipes, but equipped with 139dB airhorns which make >>>>> plenty of noise on demand. >>>> >>>> And of coarse you know Nev, that the Victorian coppers have declared >>>> that >>>> air horns are illegal? >>> >>> Bullshit. >>> >> what he said. >> >> *musical* air horns are illegal *to use as your primary horn* >> >> plain fixed/multi tone air horns are completely legal (as long as the tone >> doesn't keep changing). >> >> >> ADR42.4.20.2 applies: >> >> Warning Device >> >> Every motor vehicle must be fitted with a least one warning device capable >> of giving sufficient audible warning of the presence of the vehicle. It >> must give an audible signal having constant amplitude and frequency >> characteristics. It may be powered by any energy source including >> compressed air. >> >> >> http://www.comlaw.gov.au/comlaw/Legislation/LegislativeInstrumentCompilation1.nsf/0/73A110F4CE0C386FCA257376002046A0?OpenDocument >> >> >> -- >> Lee > > > what he said, I forgot to include the word "musical" Bullshit. Nev.. '08 DL1000K8
From: JohnO on 9 Apr 2010 19:31 On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 09:16:19 +1000, CrazyCam <CrazyCam(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: >Zebee Johnstone wrote: >> In aus.motorcycles on Sat, 10 Apr 2010 07:15:12 +1000 >> CrazyCam <CrazyCam(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: >>> Zebee Johnstone wrote: >>>> In aus.motorcycles on Fri, 09 Apr 2010 16:31:20 +1000 >>>> CrazyCam <CrazyCam(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: >>>>> Over the years I have experimented with a variety of methods of getting >>>>> car drivers to actually notice me, on a motorbike. >>>> I am reliably informed that a little red cocktail dress and high heels >>>> do a good job. >>>> >>>> Zebee >>>> - looking very innocent >>> That was the lovely Sam wasn't it? >>> >> >> no, friend of mine who now lives on the North Coast and rides a ratty >> Harley. > >Oh well, <sigh> Sam would have looked good riding in such an outfit. > > > regards, > CrazyCam Sam as in great aunt Sam? - If so, where would the tea-bags go? JohnO Coopers mate?
From: BT Humble on 9 Apr 2010 19:50 theo wrote: > On Apr 9, 4:39?am, Zebee Johnstone <zeb...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Don't do much country riding? ?Trains have very loud horns and they > > use them when coming to a crossing. > > They are required to use the horn at every crossing (in WA anyway) > even if the crossing has lights, bells and boom gates. People still > get run over. Yeah well, people are idiots. BTH (Me too!) -- Posted at www.usenet.com.au
From: Zebee Johnstone on 9 Apr 2010 20:09
In aus.motorcycles on Fri, 9 Apr 2010 23:50:26 +0000 (UTC) BT Humble <YnRAaHVtYmxldG93bi5vcmc=(a)REGISTERED_USER_usenet.com.au> wrote: > theo wrote: >> On Apr 9, 4:39?am, Zebee Johnstone <zeb...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> > Don't do much country riding? ?Trains have very loud horns and they >> > use them when coming to a crossing. >> >> They are required to use the horn at every crossing (in WA anyway) >> even if the crossing has lights, bells and boom gates. People still >> get run over. > > Yeah well, people are idiots. > What they are is doing what they've always done. Habit is an amazing thing. Hands up those who have been thinking about something else and found themselves having taken the turn that sets them on the road to work when they weren't meant to be going that way? One of the big problems with rural crossings is that trains don't often cross them. You can be a local crossing the track 5 times a day or once a week, and no train. Eventually your brain says "no train" even if there is one... A bloke was killed in WA a few years ago by the train that ran on a track that divided his property. He knew trains travelled that track, and what times. But still, they weren't there that often and he was hit by one. Not because he was stupid but because he spent so much time there when trains weren't there. Same same most rear ender crashes. People follow the car behind, expecting it to do the same thing it was doing the previous second and the one before that. And 99.999% of the time they are right, it does. That 0.001% of the time is why you are supposed to leave a long enough gap so that if the car in front does something different you have time to realise and deal. And it's also the reason why people don't. The reward for travelling closer - the perception that you are going faster or getting were you are more quickly because you have less open space in front - is worth more than the faint possibility there might be a problem. Hours and hours and hours of driving when there isn't a problem is a powerful reinforcement. I never think that the cause of a crash is stupidity, because that implies a) it was bound to happen and b) I won't ever have a crash like that because I'm not stupid. Better that I realise what someone did or didn't do, and why they did or didn't do it, so I don't make the same mistake. "Stupid" is not a useful reason for that, anymore than "they are trying to kill you" is a useful way to think about road safety on a bike. Neither gives you techniques to use to stay safe. Zebee |