From: Kevin Stone on
> My 12 year old daughter wants to buy a digital camera
> Can anyone suggest something suitable?

I've had:

FujiFilm:

F10 (water damaged)
F11 (upgraded)
F31 (stolen)
F45fd (wife's)
F50fd (mine)

and they're all brilliant. In fact ISTR the Gadget Show named the F31fd as
the best of all time.

I'd buy the F100EXR if my F50 wasn't so brill.

Highly recommend any of them.

--
Kev


From: Veggie Dave on
Switters <me(a)privacy.net> wrote the following literary masterpiece:
>Like most of their so-called tests.

So, on par with a Which? test then...

I can see a proper high-end DSLR giving a film camera a good run for its
money, and possibly even winning when taking convenience into account.
But when it comes to the best possible quality in every situation, film
still wins by a long way.

--
Veggie Dave
http://www.iq18films.co.uk

"To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim
that Jesus was not born of a virgin." Cardinal Bellarmine
From: Grimly Curmudgeon on
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember Switters <me(a)privacy.net> saying
something like:

>Wasn't the film camera the film equivalent Nikon or something?

Iirc, yes - a decent pro model.

>> If the test was supposed to demonstrate ultimate resolving power of
>> either, the film body should have been loaded with ISO100,
>
>Velvia would have got my vote, but I suppose the average Joe would have
>used some 100 film.

I suggested ISO 100 to even it out - Istr faster speeds on digis are
just amplification of the sensor base sensitivity, of around 100.

I'm pretty sure Adox CMS-20 would have shown the dSLR a clean pair of
heels.
http://www.lumiere-shop.de/product_info.php/info/p3924_ADOX--CMS-20--135-36.html
(not Gigapan as said, it's also sold by somebody else as Giga-something,
which I mis-recalled)
From: TOG on
On 8 Jan, 14:35, Grimly Curmudgeon <grimly4REM...(a)REMOVEgmail.com>
wrote:
> We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
> drugs began to take hold. I remember Switters <m...(a)privacy.net> saying
> something like:
>
> >Wasn't the film camera the film equivalent Nikon or something?
>
> Iirc, yes - a decent pro model.
>
> >> If the test was supposed to demonstrate ultimate resolving power of
> >> either, the film body should have been loaded with ISO100,
>
> >Velvia would have got my vote, but I suppose the average Joe would have
> >used some 100 film.
>
> I suggested ISO 100 to even it out - Istr faster speeds on digis are
> just amplification of the sensor base sensitivity, of around 100.
>
> I'm pretty sure Adox CMS-20 would have shown the dSLR a clean pair of
> heels.http://www.lumiere-shop.de/product_info.php/info/p3924_ADOX--CMS-20--...
> (not Gigapan as said, it's also sold by somebody else as Giga-something,
> which I mis-recalled)

I've got a D100 and an F100. We could do a test ourselves, except the
D100 is a bit vieux chapeau now. My D200 wouldbe better, or a new D300
better still.
From: Simian on
TOG(a)Toil wrote:

> http://www.sportbikeworld.com/gallery/data/522/3604wayneGcrash.jpg
>
> That was actually a crop from a small corner of a picture depicting
> other bikes.
[...]
> Hard to see a digi getting that high a resolution - the area was maybe
> one-eighth of the total 35mm area. Certainly under a quarter.

That actual jpeg is 1/100th the pixel area of the current top of the
range Canon DLSR.


This (f5.6, 400mm, 1/100th, ISO800, no post processing other than the
crop):

http://128.177.27.150/photo/plog-content/images/places/south-africa/img_
1947.jpg

is a crop to 1/8th of the current top of the range Canon, though
obviously not taken with one...

Taken through the window of a moving bus, in the rain (note the
raindrops in the focal plane), which is why it's a bit blurred.

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