From: Capt.about_lunchtime on 3 Dec 2008 02:52
">>So what incentive is there for the Oz jeans manufacturer to get
>>competitive, or even of a higher quality? What prevents us from
>>fellating the local industry? What do we gain for our $47?
> We get to support our own cotton growers (Australian jobs)
> We get to support our own textile mills. (Australian jobs)
> We get to support our own clothing manufacturers. (Australian jobs)
> We get to keep these industries going instead of killing them by
> buying imports.
> We get to keep the money in Australia.
And likely we end up wearing shoddy jeans made by inefficient textile mills
while paying heaps for low quality clothes and the value of the dollas kept
in Aust.falls even more..
Competition, real competition, is the only thing that industry will respond
to in the name of greater quality and cost effiencies. Tariffs while
supporting local jobs is a severe determent to improving quality and
efficiency unless they are accurately targeted and short lived.
One example is Harleys' plea for the US govt to impose tariffs on the
Japanese MC manufactures in the 80s' due to their alleged dumping of bikes
into US markets. The US gov. agreed to a 5 year tariff imposition
Honda decided to produce Goldwings, a big US seller, in the US thus
bypassing the tariff. Harley however had enough time to launch the
Evolution motor. This was so successful that Harley asked the Gov to axe
the tariff a year or so earlier than they originally proposed.
Well targeted, short-lived and successful in keeping a local manufacturer
afloat while improving the product out of this world.
Yes I know Harleys are actually made in China and only assembled in the US
but not even the die hards can afford 75USD for an 883
Eventually the wages in these third world countries rise and the cycle
continues, its a small world out there and getting smaller by the week
putting up tariff walls is a short term insular bandaid. Long term it just
Capt A. L.
From: G-S on 3 Dec 2008 03:31
> So your plan to save Australian jobs is to penalise the corporations who
> are growing cotton and employing Australians.
Personally I'd be tempted to offer them incentives to convert to crops
that don't use quite so much water :)
From: Boxer on 3 Dec 2008 05:47
"G-S" <geoff(a)castbus.com.au> wrote in message
> Nev.. wrote:
>> So your plan to save Australian jobs is to penalise the corporations who
>> are growing cotton and employing Australians.
> Personally I'd be tempted to offer them incentives to convert to crops
> that don't use quite so much water :)
And a hell of a lot of pesticide.
"In fact, conventional and GM cotton accounts for 16 percent of global
chemical pesticide use, more than any other single crop, and reaps US$2
billion for the chemical industry every year. Of that, US$112 million is
spent on Aldicarb, an acutely toxic pesticide classified by the World Health
Organisation as "WHO1a", or "extremely hazardous." One drop is sufficient to
kill an adult male. Yet one million kilos of Aldicarb was applied to cotton
crops in the USA in 2003. And, at least 1 million agricultural workers
around the world are hospitalised because of acute pesticide poisoning each
From: Andrew McKenna on 3 Dec 2008 05:50
> Yes I know Harleys are actually made in China and only assembled in the US
> but not even the die hards can afford 75USD for an 883
> Capt A. L.
Bullshit. I'll pay AUD115.00 for yours.
Are you sure you meant " ... 75USD ..."?
From: Damien on 3 Dec 2008 06:00
Andrew Price wrote:
> Recommended therapy - anyone tried the Tralaga road recently and can say if
> its good?
I did it last weekend (through the blasted bloody wind and rain and snow
- last time I head off anywhere without checking the bloody forecast
first!), and it was a bloody good road indeed. Even in the midst of the
most miserable weather I've ever ridden a bike in, I was still able to
appreciate the quality of the tarmac beneath the tyres - even though the
strength of the gusts was sufficient to seriously damage my faith in the
strength of the connection between rubber and road!
If you can enjoy it in that sort of weather, how good must it be when
conditions are better?