From: Andrew Price on
Just back from a long promised long weekend out of Sinney.

Bell's line, then the old Tarana road to Bathurst, twice round the mountain
as homage to sacred ground, then the back road past Abercrombie Caves and
through Tuena (the front road, through Oberon and Taralga, is now wholly
sealed and the locals at Crookwell say its got the better views).

If that's so, then those views would want to be pretty good as mine were
spectacular for about 80k - a bit of ok dirt on my road less traveled but
the Chook loves that) - into Crookwell for a late lunch and booked at a room
at that most curious of institutions, the pub with no licence (nothing so
sad as being the only guest in a once mighty pub).

Into Goulburn to watch a movie (Australia, 6/10 if you like overdone
melodramas - the indigenous bit is interesting but will be lost on the
film's target market in the US).

And they charged me $7 for a ticket - less than half Sydney prices.

Bought a pair of warmer gloves in Bathurst (the calendar said "Summer" but
no one had told them that on the southern tablelands) and walked the main
street looking for a place that might stock them. Both Bathurst and
Crookwell really showed signs of struggling, much more so than when I last
looked.

Stopped and had a good look at the wind farm outside Crookwell - on the
highest point on the dividing range, one side drains to Sydney, t'other to
Adelaide. The have plans for 200 more generator units in the district, hell
knows they have the wind for it. Not many permanent jobs generated though,
and that's what's needed.

On and off the slab as soon as possible at Marulan, tourist road to
Robertson for pie and coffee, not as smooth as I would have liked through
the turns to the coast, over the sea bridge and the Royal National Park back
home.

Recommended therapy - anyone tried the Tralaga road recently and can say if
its good?

Best, Andrew

From: Diogenes on
On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 20:13:58 GMT, Andrew Price
<arathorn(a)bigpond.net.au.x1> wrote:

> Both Bathurst and Crookwell really showed signs of struggling,
>much more so than when I last looked.

In 1974 I did a bike tour from Sinny to Cairns (staying inland till
Rocky). Did the same trip again in 1983. I was literally shocked to
see the degree to which the towns along the way had gone into decay.

Some had become ghost towns, others looked terminally ill. It was
quite depressing. I don't hink it's ever picked up much since then,
and now that our mad embrace of globalisation means our rural
industries have to compete with places where workers are paid a
pittance, I don't see a real lot of hope for them.

Tourism? Forget it. It won't generate enough to keep those places
viable. And anyway, in the prolonged global recession we're in, there
won't be the hordes of tourists need to prop things up.

"Say goodbye to Hollywood... Say goodbye, my baby..."

Onya bike...

Gerry
From: Zebee Johnstone on
In aus.motorcycles on Tue, 02 Dec 2008 07:38:14 +1100
Diogenes <cynic(a)society.sux.ok> wrote:
> Some had become ghost towns, others looked terminally ill. It was
> quite depressing. I don't hink it's ever picked up much since then,
> and now that our mad embrace of globalisation means our rural
> industries have to compete with places where workers are paid a
> pittance, I don't see a real lot of hope for them.
>

I don't think country towns ever did things that compete with workers
in other countries.

They were mainly agriculture. They profited a lot from tarrifs and
from other rorts, and they profited from unsustainable farming
methods.

The problem for Oz will be that much of the land isn't useful for
anything but housing and we aren't putting houses on it... And if we
did, there'd be no water for them.

In 50 or 100 years time you won't see much inland at all unless
there's a way to farm roos and rabbits, but you might see fewer people
in Oz generally and them starving as they've built on the ground with
good soil and water.

Given the high demand for meat in developing countries, raising and
marketing roo might be a boom industry. Won't employ that many
people, but then farming hasn't either. The days of huge demand for
seasonal labour in the wheat and canefields is long gone. Fruit
picking doesn't sustain country towns either.

Zebee
From: Diogenes on
On 1 Dec 2008 23:12:39 GMT, Zebee Johnstone <zebeej(a)gmail.com> wrote:

>In aus.motorcycles on Tue, 02 Dec 2008 07:38:14 +1100
>Diogenes <cynic(a)society.sux.ok> wrote:
>> Some had become ghost towns, others looked terminally ill. It was
>> quite depressing. I don't hink it's ever picked up much since then,
>> and now that our mad embrace of globalisation means our rural
>> industries have to compete with places where workers are paid a
>> pittance, I don't see a real lot of hope for them.
>>
>
>I don't think country towns ever did things that compete with workers
>in other countries.
>
>They were mainly agriculture. They profited a lot from tarrifs and
>from other rorts, and they profited from unsustainable farming
>methods.
>
>The problem for Oz will be that much of the land isn't useful for
>anything but housing and we aren't putting houses on it... And if we
>did, there'd be no water for them.
>
>In 50 or 100 years time you won't see much inland at all unless
>there's a way to farm roos and rabbits, but you might see fewer people
>in Oz generally and them starving as they've built on the ground with
>good soil and water.
>
>Given the high demand for meat in developing countries, raising and
>marketing roo might be a boom industry. Won't employ that many
>people, but then farming hasn't either. The days of huge demand for
>seasonal labour in the wheat and canefields is long gone. Fruit
>picking doesn't sustain country towns either.

I don't think tarrifs are necessarily a bd thing.

I do think a lot of our manufacturing and primary industry has been
hurt by cheap imports. And I do think it has affected the rural
economy. Of course, I could be wrong. I aint no expert on these
matters.

And I'm opposed, in principle, to globalisation. Call me an economic
luddite...


Onya bike...

Gerry
From: theo on
On Dec 2, 8:28 am, Diogenes <cy...(a)society.sux.ok> wrote:
> On 1 Dec 2008 23:12:39 GMT, Zebee Johnstone <zeb...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >In aus.motorcycles on Tue, 02 Dec 2008 07:38:14 +1100
> >Diogenes <cy...(a)society.sux.ok> wrote:
> >> Some had become ghost towns, others looked terminally ill.  It was
> >> quite depressing.   I don't hink it's ever picked up much since then,
> >> and now that our mad embrace of globalisation means our rural
> >> industries have to compete with places where workers are paid a
> >> pittance, I don't see a real lot of hope for them.  
>
> >I don't think country towns ever did things that compete with workers
> >in other countries.
>
> >They were mainly agriculture.  They profited a lot from tarrifs and
> >from other rorts, and they profited from unsustainable farming
> >methods.
>
> >The problem for Oz will be that much of the land isn't useful for
> >anything but housing and we aren't putting houses on it...  And if we
> >did, there'd be no water for them.
>
> >In 50 or 100 years time you won't see much inland at all unless
> >there's a way to farm roos and rabbits, but you might see fewer people
> >in Oz generally and them starving as they've built on the ground with
> >good soil and water.
>
> >Given the high demand for meat in developing countries, raising and
> >marketing roo might be a boom industry.  Won't employ that many
> >people, but then farming hasn't either.  The days of huge demand for
> >seasonal labour in the wheat and canefields is long gone.  Fruit
> >picking doesn't sustain country towns either.
>
> I don't think tarrifs are necessarily a bd thing.

They tend to backfire when countries you want to export to impose
them.

> I do think a lot of our manufacturing and primary industry has been
> hurt by cheap imports.  And I do think it has affected the rural
> economy.  Of course, I could be wrong.  I aint no expert on these
> matters.
>
> And I'm opposed, in principle, to globalisation.  Call me an economic
> luddite...

You're an economic Luddite. But so am I to some extent. OTOH,I bought
a new pair of jeans this week. $23.99 in Big W, not made in Australia.
My main criteria was cost.

Theo