From: JayC on
> > Did you hear the recently released 911 call from the father of a family
> of 4 as their car hit the end of the freeway at 120 mph? It was chilling
> hearing the pleas' for help and the final screams of his family as they
> hit the barrier and went over the cliff. I heard it the other day and
> still shake when I think of it..

The real shame is that the guy, a police officer, was too unfamiliar
with operating a vehicle to put it into neutral when the throttle
stuck. That technique is taught in driver's ed in high school.
Instead, they made a cell phone call.

JayC
From: JayC on
> I'm afraid I may be having too much fun watching this Toyota debacle
> unfold. I have always thought that fly by wire systems were a sketchy
> proposition. Did they sub it out to Lucas?

Toyota's throttle problem is a mechanical one, not electrical. Not
enough WD40.

JayC

From: Dean H on

> > Would you want a fly by wire throttle on your bike?
>
> Many recent sport bikes are done exactly that way. I think the R1 was
> the first, 2 or 3 years ago.
>
> So, my answer is if that meant I had an R1, yes.
>
> --
> Charles
> '99 YZ250

It is very cool technology that opens up many possibilities but also
opens up new problems. I suppose that once you get to EFI, you're most
of the way there anyway. And the elegance of FBW really shines when
you get to multi-cylinder engines.

In the case of this mysterious Toyota malfunction that was first the
mats, then certain gas pedals to be fixed with first a shim, then with
a reinforcing rod... there's reasonable speculation that they don't
know what they're really chasing. I suspect that with pedals sending
bad info now and then, they might be suffering one of computing's
oldest snafus; Garbage In - Garbage Out.

<something about fail-safe and fail-soft...>

Just making conversation... picturing Tami and Harrell patching
together the system with bobby pins and chewing gum.

From: I am Tosk on
In article <6682aaac-3e39-40b6-a15c-679de7891715
@b35g2000vbc.googlegroups.com>, jwc(a)sysmatrix.net says...
>
> > > Did you hear the recently released 911 call from the father of a family
> > of 4 as their car hit the end of the freeway at 120 mph? It was chilling
> > hearing the pleas' for help and the final screams of his family as they
> > hit the barrier and went over the cliff. I heard it the other day and
> > still shake when I think of it..
>
> The real shame is that the guy, a police officer, was too unfamiliar
> with operating a vehicle to put it into neutral when the throttle
> stuck. That technique is taught in driver's ed in high school.
> Instead, they made a cell phone call.
>
> JayC

Yup, I keep thinking about that. He panicked and killed his whole
family...

Scotty RMR
From: Dean H on
On Feb 3, 12:24 pm, I am Tosk <justwaitafrekinmin...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> In article <6682aaac-3e39-40b6-a15c-679de7891715
> @b35g2000vbc.googlegroups.com>, j...(a)sysmatrix.net says...
>
>
>
> > > > Did you hear the recently released 911 call from the father of a family
> > > of 4 as their car hit the end of the freeway at 120 mph? It was chilling
> > > hearing the pleas' for help and the final screams of his family as they
> > > hit the barrier and went over the cliff. I heard it the other day and
> > > still shake when I think of it..
>
> > The real shame is that the guy, a police officer, was too unfamiliar
> > with operating a vehicle to put it into neutral when the throttle
> > stuck.  That technique is taught in driver's ed in high school.
> > Instead, they made a cell phone call.
>
> > JayC
>
> Yup, I keep thinking about that. He panicked and killed his whole
> family...
>
> Scotty RMR

Wow, Darwin was right!