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From: ogden on 14 Dec 2009 02:54 Cab wrote: > ogden wrote: > > > > The pilot walked away > > > > ...and straight into prison for 14 years. > > He got off lightly then? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sknyliv_airshow_disaster On June 24, 2005, a military court sentenced pilot Volodymyr Toponar and co-pilot Yuriy Yegorov to fourteen and eight years in prison, respectively. The court found the two pilots and three other military officials guilty of failing to follow orders, negligence and violating flight rules. Two of the three officials were sentenced to up to six years in prison, and the last official received up to four years. In addition, Toponar was ordered to pay 7.2 million hryvnia ($1.42 million; ¤1.18 million) in compensation to the families, and Yegorov another 2.5 million hryvnia. -- ogden
From: Adrian on 14 Dec 2009 03:04 ogden <ogden(a)pre.org> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: > The court found the two pilots ... guilty of failing to follow orders "Oh, and DFC!"
From: Kevin Gleeson on 14 Dec 2009 04:52 On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 07:54:07 -0000, ogden <ogden(a)pre.org> wrote: >Cab wrote: >> ogden wrote: >> >> > > The pilot walked away >> > >> > ...and straight into prison for 14 years. >> >> He got off lightly then? > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sknyliv_airshow_disaster > >On June 24, 2005, a military court sentenced pilot Volodymyr Toponar and >co-pilot Yuriy Yegorov to fourteen and eight years in prison, >respectively. The court found the two pilots and three other military >officials guilty of failing to follow orders, negligence and violating >flight rules. Two of the three officials were sentenced to up to six >years in prison, and the last official received up to four years. In >addition, Toponar was ordered to pay 7.2 million hryvnia ($1.42 million; >�1.18 million) in compensation to the families, and Yegorov another 2.5 >million hryvnia. Wonder what the violated orders were? "You vill not crash zis aircraft". Which I think is a given. Or had they deliberately tried the maneouvre too low to the ground? And how does that involve the copilot? Or did said officials order them down low to give a good show? In which case, is the pilot really at fault? (Yes, he shouldn't have done it if he thought the maneouvre could be unrecoverable, but still.) I'm just trying to figure out how 5 people can be guilty of the crash. -- Kevin Gleeson
From: Ace on 14 Dec 2009 14:11 On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 20:52:27 +1100, Kevin Gleeson <kevingleeson(a)imagine-it.com.au> wrote: >On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 07:54:07 -0000, ogden <ogden(a)pre.org> wrote: >>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sknyliv_airshow_disaster >> >>On June 24, 2005, a military court sentenced pilot Volodymyr Toponar and >>co-pilot Yuriy Yegorov to fourteen and eight years in prison, >>respectively. The court found the two pilots and three other military >>officials guilty of failing to follow orders, negligence and violating >>flight rules. >Wonder what the violated orders were? >"You vill not crash zis aircraft". Which I think is a given. >Or had they deliberately tried the maneouvre too low to the ground? Possibly unauthorised manoeuvres, certainly performing said manoeuvres in the direction of the crown, which I believe is the first rule of Air Shows. >And how does that involve the copilot? You think he just sits there and lets the pilot do everything? No, he will take an active part on planning and performing the stunt sequences. >I'm just trying to figure out how 5 people can be guilty of the crash. Me too. Sounds like there must have been more people involved than that.
From: Kevin Gleeson on 14 Dec 2009 17:29
On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 20:11:47 +0100, Ace <b.rogers(a)ifrance.com> wrote: >On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 20:52:27 +1100, Kevin Gleeson ><kevingleeson(a)imagine-it.com.au> wrote: > >>On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 07:54:07 -0000, ogden <ogden(a)pre.org> wrote: > >>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sknyliv_airshow_disaster >>> >>>On June 24, 2005, a military court sentenced pilot Volodymyr Toponar and >>>co-pilot Yuriy Yegorov to fourteen and eight years in prison, >>>respectively. The court found the two pilots and three other military >>>officials guilty of failing to follow orders, negligence and violating >>>flight rules. > >>Wonder what the violated orders were? >>"You vill not crash zis aircraft". Which I think is a given. >>Or had they deliberately tried the maneouvre too low to the ground? > >Possibly unauthorised manoeuvres, certainly performing said manoeuvres >in the direction of the crown, which I believe is the first rule of >Air Shows. I think it only became in the direction of the crowd once the wingtip clipped the ground. Misjudging his recovery height from the maneouvre, yeah. Without knowing alll the details, hard to tell. You only need one little system glitch at that height and you're toast. As for the comment about copilot, he is usually running radio and weapons systems and navigating. I doubt he'd have much input into low level (or even high level) combat maneouvres. Back seat driver syndrome. I'm happy to be presented with evidence to the contrary, but at the pace you have to make split-second decisions I just can't imagine he'd have input. "Can well pull up in .05 seconds please?" "Nyet, I'm just going to wait another .02 seconds", doesn't seem to work for me. -- Kevin Gleeson |