From: F Murtz on
Andrew McKenna wrote:
> CrazyCam wrote:
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> OK I am still working myself up to a frenzy about getting a Guzzi.
>>
>> I still love the looks of the V7 Classic, and Angie and I are
>> intending to take one for a test ride in a couple of weeks time.
>>
>> I have resigned myself to the fact that I don't actually need stupid
>> amounts of power (Anyone interested in buying my Street Triple?) but,
>> in the latest edition of the U.C. mag, someone wrote up a bit about
>> the V7 saying that, and I quote:"Ethanol can NOT be used."
>>
>> Now, to be sure of not getting an E10 mix seems to limit your choices
>> to 98 octane, expensive petrol.
>>
>> Since the V7 isn't actually a fire breathing super powerful monster,
>> this would appear strange.
>>
>> Anyone got any ideas or comments about this?
>>
>> Zebee, G-S ?
>>
>> regards,
>> CrazyCam
>
> Commenting on your two issues separately:
>
> 1. In NSW there are presently at least 4 different unleaded fuels: 92
> RON, 95 RON, 98 RON and E10. Caltex make a fifth: E85, but I've never
> seen it. 92 RON is to be phased out in 2011, so I suspect the most
> likely combination at a 3-fuel bowser in future would be E10, 95 RON, 98
> RON. Shell E10 is 94 RON, but I have heard that others are lower.

Well can you tell me why a lot of garages don't sell 95 any more just 92
98 e10?


>
> 2. I read somewhere (but can't recall where) that all new motor
> vehicles, including motorcycles, manufactured in the euro zone had to be
> able to run on either ethanol blended fuel or PULP (95 RON). So the
> issue isn't whether the Guzzi *needs* PULP, it's whether its fuel system
> can cope with E10, particularly that fuel's nasty habit of absorbing
> water - I suspect Moto Guzzi have decided to stick with their old-school
> fuel systems. All of the Japanese manufacturers say their bikes can't
> run on E10.
>

From: Zebee Johnstone on
In aus.motorcycles on Thu, 12 Aug 2010 15:30:41 +1000
F Murtz <haggisz(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Well can you tell me why a lot of garages don't sell 95 any more just 92
> 98 e10?
>

May depend where you are.

The ones in Sydney Metro seem to all sell 98 and 95 as well as E10,
out in the country less so as I found on my last trip.

ON the main highways wasn't too hard to find 98, Take the byways and
I found it really hard to get 98 and the Noggy had to settle for 95
which took a little looking for.

Zebee
From: CrazyCam on
Andrew McKenna wrote:

<snip>

> Commenting on your two issues separately:
>
> 1. In NSW there are presently at least 4 different unleaded fuels: 92
> RON, 95 RON, 98 RON and E10. Caltex make a fifth: E85, but I've never
> seen it. 92 RON is to be phased out in 2011, so I suspect the most
> likely combination at a 3-fuel bowser in future would be E10, 95 RON, 98
> RON. Shell E10 is 94 RON, but I have heard that others are lower.

Hi Andrew.

The trouble is, I have recently seen 91/92 octane labeled as E10, as in
ten percent Ethanol, and also 95 octane, similarly labeled as E10.

I have not (yet) seen 98 octane fuel labeled as E10, but I suspect it
can only be a matter of time.

When E10 first appeared, adding 10 percent Ethanol to 90% 91 octane
fuel, did pretty much give you 94 or 95 octane mixture, but, with the
passage of time, I assume the fuel blenders got better and found cheaper
ways of doing it by reducing the octane rating of the "petrol" prior
adding the ethanol, thus making the 91/92 octane E10.

> 2. I read somewhere (but can't recall where) that all new motor
> vehicles, including motorcycles, manufactured in the euro zone had to be
> able to run on either ethanol blended fuel or PULP (95 RON). So the
> issue isn't whether the Guzzi *needs* PULP, it's whether its fuel system
> can cope with E10, particularly that fuel's nasty habit of absorbing
> water - I suspect Moto Guzzi have decided to stick with their old-school
> fuel systems.

As you so rightly say, it probably isn't a question of the Guzzi
_needing_ PULP, it is much more likely to be a question of what harm it
may do to the fuel system.

I expected a current model Euro bike to happily use E10, I know my
Street Triple Triumph does.

But, since my original posting, I spoke to the Guzzi sales person who
said that ethanol would "eat" various O-rings and stuff.

I also had a wee google, and found some comments about the V7 having a
plastic petrol tank, which could possibly be unhappy with ethanol. :-O

regards,
CrazyCam


From: Andrew McKenna on
F Murtz wrote:
>
> Well can you tell me why a lot of garages don't sell 95 any more just 92
> 98 e10?
>

I don't know for sure, but I can speculate. Most servos these days have
3-nozzle bowsers for the majority, then maybe a diesel or two, and a
gas. The bowsers might originally been 92 RON, 95 RON, 98 RON, but then
the gubbermint mandated E10 for gubbermint vehicles. I'd guess that when
the servos had to replace the fuel in one of their tanks, they chose the
weakest seller.

--
Regards

Andrew
From: George W Frost on

"CrazyCam" <CrazyCam(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
news:4c639172$0$3032$afc38c87(a)news.optusnet.com.au...
> Andrew McKenna wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> Commenting on your two issues separately:
>>
>> 1. In NSW there are presently at least 4 different unleaded fuels: 92
>> RON, 95 RON, 98 RON and E10. Caltex make a fifth: E85, but I've never
>> seen it. 92 RON is to be phased out in 2011, so I suspect the most likely
>> combination at a 3-fuel bowser in future would be E10, 95 RON, 98 RON.
>> Shell E10 is 94 RON, but I have heard that others are lower.
>
> Hi Andrew.
>
> The trouble is, I have recently seen 91/92 octane labeled as E10, as in
> ten percent Ethanol, and also 95 octane, similarly labeled as E10.
>
> I have not (yet) seen 98 octane fuel labeled as E10, but I suspect it can
> only be a matter of time.
>
> When E10 first appeared, adding 10 percent Ethanol to 90% 91 octane fuel,
> did pretty much give you 94 or 95 octane mixture, but, with the passage of
> time, I assume the fuel blenders got better and found cheaper ways of
> doing it by reducing the octane rating of the "petrol" prior adding the
> ethanol, thus making the 91/92 octane E10.
>
>> 2. I read somewhere (but can't recall where) that all new motor vehicles,
>> including motorcycles, manufactured in the euro zone had to be able to
>> run on either ethanol blended fuel or PULP (95 RON). So the issue isn't
>> whether the Guzzi *needs* PULP, it's whether its fuel system can cope
>> with E10, particularly that fuel's nasty habit of absorbing water - I
>> suspect Moto Guzzi have decided to stick with their old-school fuel
>> systems.
>
> As you so rightly say, it probably isn't a question of the Guzzi _needing_
> PULP, it is much more likely to be a question of what harm it may do to
> the fuel system.
>
> I expected a current model Euro bike to happily use E10, I know my Street
> Triple Triumph does.


Not going to chance it with the Trophy
it doesn't like anything but 98


> But, since my original posting, I spoke to the Guzzi sales person who said
> that ethanol would "eat" various O-rings and stuff.
>
> I also had a wee google, and found some comments about the V7 having a
> plastic petrol tank, which could possibly be unhappy with ethanol. :-O
>
> regards,
> CrazyCam
>
>