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From: CrazyCam on 11 Aug 2010 18:17
Hi folks,

OK I am still working myself up to a frenzy about getting a Guzzi.

I still love the looks of the V7 Classic, and Angie and I are intending
to take one for a test ride in a couple of weeks time.

I have resigned myself to the fact that I don't actually need stupid
amounts of power (Anyone interested in buying my Street Triple?) but, in
the latest edition of the U.C. mag, someone wrote up a bit about the V7
saying that, and I quote:"Ethanol can NOT be used."

Now, to be sure of not getting an E10 mix seems to limit your choices to
98 octane, expensive petrol.

Since the V7 isn't actually a fire breathing super powerful monster,
this would appear strange.

Anyone got any ideas or comments about this?

Zebee, G-S ?

regards,
CrazyCam
From: Burnie M on 11 Aug 2010 19:37
Most current bikes will use E10 but it is actually more expensive to
do so.

Certainly the following bikes are cheaper to run on 95 octane;
99 VTR1000F, 01 Cagiva Raptor 1000, 03 SV1000, 08 DR650

Cost per litre means nothing, cost per kilometre is what you need to
work out



On Thu, 12 Aug 2010 08:17:02 +1000, CrazyCam
<CrazyCam(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote:

>Hi folks,
>
>OK I am still working myself up to a frenzy about getting a Guzzi.
>
>I still love the looks of the V7 Classic, and Angie and I are intending
>to take one for a test ride in a couple of weeks time.
>
>I have resigned myself to the fact that I don't actually need stupid
>amounts of power (Anyone interested in buying my Street Triple?) but, in
>the latest edition of the U.C. mag, someone wrote up a bit about the V7
>saying that, and I quote:"Ethanol can NOT be used."
>
>Now, to be sure of not getting an E10 mix seems to limit your choices to
>98 octane, expensive petrol.
>
>Since the V7 isn't actually a fire breathing super powerful monster,
>this would appear strange.
>
>Anyone got any ideas or comments about this?
>
>Zebee, G-S ?
>
> regards,
> CrazyCam

From: Kevin Gleeson on 11 Aug 2010 20:01
On Thu, 12 Aug 2010 09:37:38 +1000, Burnie M <burniem(a)ozemail.com.au>
wrote:

>Most current bikes will use E10 but it is actually more expensive to
>do so.
>
>Certainly the following bikes are cheaper to run on 95 octane;
>99 VTR1000F, 01 Cagiva Raptor 1000, 03 SV1000, 08 DR650
>
>Cost per litre means nothing, cost per kilometre is what you need to
>work out.

Exactly. I drove a mate's ute the other day and it was running like a
dog. I asked what fuel he was running on and he said it was E10. If
the engine can't handle it, you end up with a fucked performance
vehicle that will end up costing you more to run. Stoopid.



>
>
>On Thu, 12 Aug 2010 08:17:02 +1000, CrazyCam
><CrazyCam(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>
>>Hi folks,
>>
>>OK I am still working myself up to a frenzy about getting a Guzzi.
>>
>>I still love the looks of the V7 Classic, and Angie and I are intending
>>to take one for a test ride in a couple of weeks time.
>>
>>I have resigned myself to the fact that I don't actually need stupid
>>amounts of power (Anyone interested in buying my Street Triple?) but, in
>>the latest edition of the U.C. mag, someone wrote up a bit about the V7
>>saying that, and I quote:"Ethanol can NOT be used."
>>
>>Now, to be sure of not getting an E10 mix seems to limit your choices to
>>98 octane, expensive petrol.
>>
>>Since the V7 isn't actually a fire breathing super powerful monster,
>>this would appear strange.
>>
>>Anyone got any ideas or comments about this?
>>
>>Zebee, G-S ?
>>
>> regards,
>> CrazyCam
From: Andrew McKenna on 11 Aug 2010 20:41
CrazyCam wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> OK I am still working myself up to a frenzy about getting a Guzzi.
>
> I still love the looks of the V7 Classic, and Angie and I are intending
> to take one for a test ride in a couple of weeks time.
>
> I have resigned myself to the fact that I don't actually need stupid
> amounts of power (Anyone interested in buying my Street Triple?) but, in
> the latest edition of the U.C. mag, someone wrote up a bit about the V7
> saying that, and I quote:"Ethanol can NOT be used."
>
> Now, to be sure of not getting an E10 mix seems to limit your choices to
> 98 octane, expensive petrol.
>
> Since the V7 isn't actually a fire breathing super powerful monster,
> this would appear strange.
>
> Anyone got any ideas or comments about this?
>
> Zebee, G-S ?
>
> regards,
> CrazyCam

Commenting on your two issues separately:

1. In NSW there are presently at least 4 different unleaded fuels: 92
RON, 95 RON, 98 RON and E10. Caltex make a fifth: E85, but I've never
seen it. 92 RON is to be phased out in 2011, so I suspect the most
likely combination at a 3-fuel bowser in future would be E10, 95 RON, 98
RON. Shell E10 is 94 RON, but I have heard that others are lower.

2. I read somewhere (but can't recall where) that all new motor
vehicles, including motorcycles, manufactured in the euro zone had to be
able to run on either ethanol blended fuel or PULP (95 RON). So the
issue isn't whether the Guzzi *needs* PULP, it's whether its fuel system
can cope with E10, particularly that fuel's nasty habit of absorbing
water - I suspect Moto Guzzi have decided to stick with their old-school
fuel systems. All of the Japanese manufacturers say their bikes can't
run on E10.

--
Regards

Andrew
From: thefathippy on 11 Aug 2010 23:31
On Aug 12, 10:41 am, Andrew McKenna
<amck*NOSPAM*3047(a)tel*NOSPAM*stra.com> wrote:
> CrazyCam wrote:
> > Hi folks,
>
> > OK I am still working myself up to a frenzy about getting a Guzzi.
>
> > I still love the looks of the V7 Classic, and Angie and I are intending
> > to take one for a test ride in a couple of weeks time.
>
> > I have resigned myself to the fact that I don't actually need stupid
> > amounts of power (Anyone interested in buying my Street Triple?) but, in
> > the latest edition of the U.C. mag, someone wrote up a bit about the V7
> > saying that, and I quote:"Ethanol can NOT be used."
>
> > Now, to be sure of not getting an E10 mix seems to limit your choices to
> > 98 octane, expensive petrol.
>
> > Since the V7 isn't actually a fire breathing super powerful monster,
> > this would appear strange.
>
> > Anyone got any ideas or comments about this?
>
> > Zebee, G-S ?
>
> >     regards,
> >         CrazyCam
>
> Commenting on your two issues separately:
>
> 1. In NSW there are presently at least 4 different unleaded fuels: 92
> RON, 95 RON, 98 RON and E10. Caltex make a fifth: E85, but I've never
> seen it. 92 RON is to be phased out in 2011, so I suspect the most
> likely combination at a 3-fuel bowser in future would be E10, 95 RON, 98
> RON. Shell E10 is 94 RON, but I have heard that others are lower.
>
> 2. I read somewhere (but can't recall where) that all new motor
> vehicles, including motorcycles, manufactured in the euro zone had to be
> able to run on either ethanol blended fuel or PULP (95 RON). So the
> issue isn't whether the Guzzi *needs* PULP, it's whether its fuel system
> can cope with E10, particularly that fuel's nasty habit of absorbing
> water - I suspect Moto Guzzi have decided to stick with their old-school
> fuel systems. All of the Japanese manufacturers say their bikes can't
> run on E10.
>
> --
> Regards
>
> Andrew

Just for info, as it doesn't answer the question, but United sell a
fifth variety - E10 with 95 octane. Most E10 is rated lower.

Tony F
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