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From: J�r�my on 18 Jan 2010 10:41 Wicked Uncle Nigel <wun(a)wicked-uncle-nigel.me.uk> wrote in news:zecyUtdRDjULJAJU(a)wicked-uncle-nigel.me.uk: > OK, it's clusterfuck, and no mistake. Aid is taking way too long to > get where it's needed. > > But... > > Look, maybe this is just me. I am seeing news reports with large > numbers of people milling about saying "we need help". And also > (apparently) large numbers of dead bodies that are going to cause > disease. > > They don't have shovels? Dig graves, guys. I'm coming to this thread a bit late, but I think you'll find this interesting: http://www.icrc.org/web/eng/siteeng0.nsf/htmlall/health-bodies-140110 (ICRC notes on management of dead bodies during disaster operations). It's a myth, which shows up again after every major disaster, that bodies are a serious public health concern. It's also been a bit frustrating to see so many reports about how slow the response has been. My GF is involved in mobilising the UN assessment teams, so I know that process was under way (in part from our kitchen) within minutes of the automatic earthquake alert coming through[1], and the team were on their way within hours. At the same time search and rescue teams from all over the world were mobilising, and the first ones were arriving within less than 24 hours, in spite of the problems of getting many tons of equipment and dozens of personnel and dogs into a broken airport. By Friday I understand the UN was aware of 26 international SAR teams in place, and many field hospitals and other emergency response units had arrived. But, unfortunately, in a disaster of this scale no amount of assistance that could practically be delivered in the first few days will be enough. [1] Anyone who is interested in receiving these alerts can - go to www.gdacs.org . -- Jeremy R1200RT
From: Charlie on 18 Jan 2010 10:47 J�r�my wrote: > [1] Anyone who is interested in receiving these alerts can - go to > www.gdacs.org . Very intersting, thanks. Earthquake in Chile 3 hours ago. TOG fallen out of bed?
From: steve auvache on 18 Jan 2010 10:47 In article <4b547a45$0$2524$da0feed9(a)news.zen.co.uk>, 'Hog <sm911SPAM(a)CHIPShotmail.co.uk> writes >steve auvache wrote: >> In article <4b546a94$0$2484$db0fefd9(a)news.zen.co.uk>, 'Hog >> <sm911SPAM(a)CHIPShotmail.co.uk> writes >>> Kevin Gleeson wrote: >>> >>>> Nicely stated Hog. Mind if I quote you on that elsewhere? >>> >>> It's a public forum. >>> >>> See what I think is the debate is being taken over by anti-capitalist >>> luddites. >> >> Once again the blinkers are upon you or is it your credit rating you >> cannot see the trees for? >> >> Anti which version of capitalism? There are hordes of folks out there >> with the sense to see the abject failure that is Merkin flavoured >> capitalism and those same hordes are aware that there are much >> healthier diets than unsaturated fats flavoured and coloured with >> artificial additives and not all of them are Luddites > >I don't know what version of AC they subscribe to. Arguing from a position of no knowledge? Truly you are worthy of being called a UKRMer. > Many I expect. Progress, excellent. Yes, even you can learn. As you say, there are many different flavours of capitalism but the one we are in the process of surviving the collapse of will go down in history marked as never to be tried again. You can be certain that the Merkins will struggle and fight until long after the end but their way is going. It is well past the point at which the question of when it will die gets asked but is now a matter of how long the death throws will last and what, if anything, of the remains are worth recycling. The trick to get now is to make sure that the ashes from which the next Phoenix arises come from sustainable sources. Prepare to be surprised, the tree huggers may have the answer. > But it >is the usual suspects. Name names. -- steve auvache
From: Colin Irvine on 18 Jan 2010 10:53 On Mon, 18 Jan 2010 15:25:58 -0000, 'Hog squeezed out the following: >Waste should be stored in deep underground repositories. If you use Salt >Domes there is already enough capacity for the next few thousand years. And then? You seem to be ensuring that we're entering the last few millenniums of the Earth's existence. I thought we were trying to ensure that we weren't. -- Colin Irvine ZZR1400 BOF#33 BONY#34 COFF#06 BHaLC#5 http://www.colinandpat.co.uk
From: Leszek Karlik on 18 Jan 2010 11:00
On Mon, 18 Jan 2010 16:53:31 +0100, Colin Irvine <look(a)bottom.of.home.page> wrote: [...] >> Waste should be stored in deep underground repositories. If you use Salt >> Domes there is already enough capacity for the next few thousand years. > > And then? In a few millenia, either humans will be dead or they will have the technology to use the radioactive "waste" as a resource. Just throw it into a molecular assembly/disassembly sieve, aka "fax machine". ;-) -- Leszek 'Leslie' Karlik NTV 650 |