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From: TOG on 29 Jun 2010 10:31 On 29 June, 14:01, Charlie <nos...(a)all.ta> wrote: > On 28/06/2010 07:08, The Older Gentleman wrote: > > > Yes, but (and do trust me on this) 99% of buyers never even *look* at > > engine and chassis numbers, still less really ook at them *closely*. So > > the odds are against it. > > >> Could the value be recovered by breaking the bike? > > > Possibly, but he's not up to that. > > Well, if he's a mate, as you say, why not have a quiet word with him and > then (if he's as worried as you are about it) help him to realise > maximum value by breaking the bike for/with him. It resolves a tricky > legal situation, gets a ringer out of the market, ensures he won't have > any comebacks from a buyer/Police/insco, gives him a new experience and > skill, cements a friendship and may even provide you with enough > material for a paying article. Everyone's a winner. If he shrugs it > off, however, and spurns your help ... well, at least you'll have tried > and your conscience will be clear. > It ain't going to work like that. First, he really can't afford to lose the bike and he's also just re-insured it. Breaking: if we assume that the engine and chassis are verboten, then what's left? Bodywork, already slightly foxed, wheels, suspension, ancillaries, brakes, electrics. Perhaps a grand. He's got nowhere to store the parts - the bike lives in the open air as it is. And I've certainly got no room in my garage. And breaking it and flogging the parts is still completely illegal anyway, if you think about it. You might as well just sell the whole bike on anyway. It's easy for people to say: "Take it to Plod. Don't sell it on. Do the decent thing." when you can afford the luxury of saying that. If it was me, I'd be taking it straight back to the bod who flogged it in April last year and saying: "Right, sunshine, this is a ringer and I want my money back now. all of it. No arguments, no 'Well, I didn't know', no denials. Money back or you're looking down the barrels of my solicitor." But then I can get nasty like that, and nowadays I can afford to lose the bike if something goes wrong. He isn't and can't. And when you really are up a gum tree like this, and just can't afford to risk losing the bike, and given the near- certainty that nobody else will ever notice the ringing job (because it is that good) I strongly suspect that most of us, in the same situation, would, yes, sell the bike sharpish. He's some 20 years younger than I am, and (like I said) has little financial alternative.
From: Charlie on 29 Jun 2010 10:48 On 29/06/2010 15:31, TOG(a)Toil wrote: > On 29 June, 14:01, Charlie<nos...(a)all.ta> wrote: >> On 28/06/2010 07:08, The Older Gentleman wrote: >> >>> Yes, but (and do trust me on this) 99% of buyers never even *look* at >>> engine and chassis numbers, still less really ook at them *closely*. So >>> the odds are against it. >> >>>> Could the value be recovered by breaking the bike? >> >>> Possibly, but he's not up to that. >> >> Well, if he's a mate, as you say, why not have a quiet word with him and >> then (if he's as worried as you are about it) help him to realise >> maximum value by breaking the bike for/with him. It resolves a tricky >> legal situation, gets a ringer out of the market, ensures he won't have >> any comebacks from a buyer/Police/insco, gives him a new experience and >> skill, cements a friendship and may even provide you with enough >> material for a paying article. Everyone's a winner. If he shrugs it >> off, however, and spurns your help ... well, at least you'll have tried >> and your conscience will be clear. >> > It ain't going to work like that. First, he really can't afford to > lose the bike and he's also just re-insured it. > > Breaking: if we assume that the engine and chassis are verboten, then > what's left? Bodywork, already slightly foxed, wheels, suspension, > ancillaries, brakes, electrics. Perhaps a grand. > > He's got nowhere to store the parts - the bike lives in the open air > as it is. And I've certainly got no room in my garage. > > And breaking it and flogging the parts is still completely illegal > anyway, if you think about it. You might as well just sell the whole > bike on anyway. > > It's easy for people to say: "Take it to Plod. Don't sell it on. Do > the decent thing." when you can afford the luxury of saying that. If > it was me, I'd be taking it straight back to the bod who flogged it in > April last year and saying: "Right, sunshine, this is a ringer and I > want my money back now. all of it. No arguments, no 'Well, I didn't > know', no denials. Money back or you're looking down the barrels of my > solicitor." > > But then I can get nasty like that, and nowadays I can afford to lose > the bike if something goes wrong. > > He isn't and can't. And when you really are up a gum tree like this, > and just can't afford to risk losing the bike, and given the near- > certainty that nobody else will ever notice the ringing job (because > it is that good) I strongly suspect that most of us, in the same > situation, would, yes, sell the bike sharpish. He's some 20 years > younger than I am, and (like I said) has little financial alternative. Well, if you put it in those terms, fair enough. Perhaps you'd done so already, but I cba to read all posts in this thread! <Folds cards. Retreats>
From: YTC#1 on 29 Jun 2010 13:22 On Sun, 27 Jun 2010 22:12:31 +0100, The Older Gentleman wrote: > A mate has got a nice bike. Used, a few years old, invery good order. Not > saying what it is, for reasons that will become obvious. And as I walked > past it, in late evening sunshine, something about the VIN plate riveted > to the frame caught my eye. > > It was just reflecting too much light from the stamped letters. Not the > plate, but the letters themselves. And I looked closer. Hm. The numbers > seemed to have been stamped in just a bit too heavily. > > OK, onto the headstock. And oh deary deary dear. After the first > half-dozen generic serial numbers/letters, the numbers display a minor, > but tell-tale, variation in size and spacing. > > It's a ringer. Absolutely 100% sure. It's been ringed well, and a casual > glance at the headstock wouldn't show anything amiss. It was only because > I was a tad suspicious that I got really up close and personal, and could > see it. > > So what to do? He's had the bike maybe 18 months. Possibly a bit longer. I > think it was an eBay purchase. > > Sell it now, fast, and move on was my (probably unethical) advice. I doubt > that 99% of purchasers would spot anything amiss and it will continue to > circulate on the roads until it gets scrapped. > > But what would you do? Anyone? As he has had it for 18 months, with no problems, how about keeping it ? Run it long enough and it will be worth while. -- Bruce Porter XJR1300SP, XJ900F, Pegaso 650 Trail (x2) one red one grey POTM#1(KoTL), WUSS#1 , YTC#1(bar), OSOS#2(KoTL) , DS#3 , IbW#18 ,Apostle#8 "The internet is a huge and diverse community and not every one is friendly" http://www.ytc1.co.uk There *is* an alternative! http://www.openoffice.org/
From: Hog on 29 Jun 2010 14:17 TOG(a)Toil <totallydeadmailbox(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > It's easy for people to say: "Take it to Plod. Don't sell it on. Do > the decent thing." when you can afford the luxury of saying that. If > it was me, I'd be taking it straight back to the bod who flogged it in > April last year and saying: "Right, sunshine, this is a ringer and I > want my money back now. all of it. No arguments, no 'Well, I didn't > know', no denials. Money back or you're looking down the barrels of my > solicitor." > > But then I can get nasty like that, and nowadays I can afford to lose > the bike if something goes wrong. > > He isn't and can't. And when you really are up a gum tree like this, > and just can't afford to risk losing the bike, and given the near- > certainty that nobody else will ever notice the ringing job (because > it is that good) I strongly suspect that most of us, in the same > situation, would, yes, sell the bike sharpish. He's some 20 years > younger than I am, and (like I said) has little financial alternative. I've already posted the words of reason in this thread, today. Unless he is prepared to go back to the seller (1) then I think my suggestion is the only practical one. (1) who probably didn't know either -- Hog
From: Pip Luscher on 29 Jun 2010 16:35
On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 07:51:53 +0000 (UTC), "SIRPip" <gingerbloke(a)gmail.com> wrote: >Pip Luscher wrote: > >> VIN number > ><slap> Oops. Deserved. I obviously meant VIN Number number. -- -Pip |