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From: JL on 24 Mar 2010 01:19 On Mar 24, 11:36 am, Zebee Johnstone <zeb...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > In aus.motorcycles on Tue, 23 Mar 2010 17:13:06 -0700 (PDT) > > JL <jlitt...(a)my-deja.com> wrote: > > > It is extraordinarily unusual for a role to be utterly stand alone, > > generally you have to work as part of a team, and your approach to > > team is clearly signalled by your willingness to be part of the > > culture. An academic article published in the Harvard Business Review > > Definitely. > > And if you don't know the culture, you have to assume it's the > "standard" culture for the kind of company. Standard interview > culture that is... > > THe interviews I've had I always figure that for the kind of job I do > "dressy casual" is the right dress code. If I have a source inside I > can find out what suitable wear is. I was warned not to dress up for > a couple of jobs. > > I expect even sysadmins to turn up reasonably well dressed for the > interview, even if the job is less fancy than that. If only because > it shows they know that such things are sometimes needful and they can > present corporately if needed. > > On the other hand, anywhere who expected a female sysadmin to turn up > in heels and skirt is not a place I'd work in. Totally wrong end of > stick. Even if it was a customer facing role, trousers and flat shoes > are the proper data centre clothing. If I was hiring a sysadmin or other serious propeller head role, I would seriously be concerned about the candidate who turned up in an expensive suit or lipstick,skirt and heels. The immediate question I'd be pursuing is " is this what you really want to do, will you stay more than 5minutes" It's why I carefully said appropriate dress for the role. Over dressed can be a negative signal just as much as under dressed. Appropriate is the key word. JL
From: JL on 24 Mar 2010 01:21 On Mar 24, 2:46 pm, "George W Frost" <georgewfr...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > "Zebee Johnstone" <zeb...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > news:slrnhqinie.1n1c.zebeej(a)gmail.com... > > > > > In aus.motorcycles on Tue, 23 Mar 2010 17:13:06 -0700 (PDT) > > JL <jlitt...(a)my-deja.com> wrote: > > >> It is extraordinarily unusual for a role to be utterly stand alone, > >> generally you have to work as part of a team, and your approach to > >> team is clearly signalled by your willingness to be part of the > >> culture. An academic article published in the Harvard Business Review > > > Definitely. > > > And if you don't know the culture, you have to assume it's the > > "standard" culture for the kind of company. Standard interview > > culture that is... > > > THe interviews I've had I always figure that for the kind of job I do > > "dressy casual" is the right dress code. If I have a source inside I > > can find out what suitable wear is. I was warned not to dress up for > > a couple of jobs. > > > I expect even sysadmins to turn up reasonably well dressed for the > > interview, even if the job is less fancy than that. If only because > > it shows they know that such things are sometimes needful and they can > > present corporately if needed. > > > On the other hand, anywhere who expected a female sysadmin to turn up > > in heels and skirt is not a place I'd work in. Totally wrong end of > > stick. Even if it was a customer facing role, trousers and flat shoes > > are the proper data centre clothing. > > > Zebee > > If I was hiring a sysadmin it would not matter whether she turned up in a > skirt or slacks or an evening dress or jeans and bike boots, with helmet of > coarse. > The job position would not depend on dress sense So, would you hire a guy for a sysadmin role who turned up in a $3,000 dollar Armani suit without any further investigation ? JL
From: Zebee Johnstone on 24 Mar 2010 01:29 In aus.motorcycles on Tue, 23 Mar 2010 22:21:24 -0700 (PDT) JL <jlittler(a)my-deja.com> wrote: > On Mar 24, 2:46?pm, "George W Frost" <georgewfr...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> If I was hiring a sysadmin it would not matter whether she turned up in a >> skirt or slacks or an evening dress or jeans and bike boots, with helmet of >> coarse. >> The job position would not depend on dress sense > > So, would you hire a guy for a sysadmin role who turned up in a $3,000 > dollar Armani suit without any further investigation ? I wouldn't, because someone dressed like that is going to be worried about lifting floor tiles and crawling underneath (which isn't in my current job description but doesn't mean I haven't had to do it) and because someone dressed like that is almost certainly not going to be a good cultural fit. Better to over than underdress for an interview but only to a point... Note I don't make the "Does someone who wears expensive suits have any technical smarts" argument because I know a very good sysadmin who wears bespoke tailoring. I think he does it to mess with people's minds as much as because he likes to look good... I have no idea if he turned up to an interview in such gear though! Zebee
From: theo on 24 Mar 2010 02:37 On Mar 23, 10:29 pm, Lars Chance <lars.cha...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > Zebee Johnstone wrote: > > On the other hand... I've been refused service in a restaurant and 2 > > pubs for turning up in bike kit. > > The only biker discrimination that I've ever experienced (or ever > picked-up-on) was at Parkes where the Motel receptionist looked at my > soaked and bedraggled self and offered that I should go to the > caravan-park instead as I would be more comfortable. > I did (and I probably was!) I didn't have any problem turning up at the North Sydney Hilton in my wet weather gear. The doorman carried my paniers in for me. But I had to park the bike myself. Theo
From: theo on 24 Mar 2010 02:38
On Mar 23, 10:32 pm, Lars Chance <lars.cha...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > John Dwyer wrote: > > 4. I recommend against beating yourself up over this. Anyone who > > motorcycles all year round in the ACT is obviously determined and > > resourceful. > > I am surprised that this is the *first* time I've ever heard > "motorcycles" as a verb! > > Well done sir! You need to get out more. Theo |