From: theo on
On Mar 24, 3:07 pm, Zebee Johnstone <zeb...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> In aus.motorcycles on Tue, 23 Mar 2010 23:59:28 -0700 (PDT)
>
> theo <theodo...(a)bigpond.com.au> wrote:
> > I went to work in lycra every day for 11 years but wore a 3 piece
> > tailored suit the rest of the day. I also did a lot of job interviews,
>
> The senior academic who used to ride to UNSW then
> wander around half the day still in his lycra kit did change into
> something else if he was lecturing.
>
> Mainly because the students got distracted...

We had showers and change-rooms. I felt the need for a shower when I
got to work, especially if it was raining.

Theo

From: JL on
On Mar 24, 4:29 pm, Zebee Johnstone <zeb...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> In aus.motorcycles on Tue, 23 Mar 2010 22:21:24 -0700 (PDT)
>
> JL <jlitt...(a)my-deja.com> wrote:
> > On Mar 24, 2:46?pm, "George W Frost" <georgewfr...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >> If I was hiring a sysadmin it would not matter whether she turned up in a
> >> skirt or slacks or an evening dress or jeans and bike boots, with helmet of
> >> coarse.
> >> The job position would not depend on dress sense
>
> > So, would you hire a guy for a sysadmin role who turned up in a $3,000
> > dollar Armani suit without any further investigation  ?
>
> I wouldn't, because someone dressed like that is going to be worried
> about lifting floor tiles and crawling underneath (which isn't in my
> current job description but doesn't mean I haven't had to do it) and
> because someone dressed like that is almost certainly not going to be
> a good cultural fit.
>
> Better to over than underdress for an interview but only to a point...

All true and I agree, I was just wondering if GWF was going to
contradict himself.

> Note I don't make the "Does someone who wears expensive suits have
> any technical smarts" argument because I know a very good sysadmin
> who wears bespoke tailoring.  I think he does it to mess with
> people's minds as much as because he likes to look good...

<grin> And that's exactly why I didn't say I wouldn't hire him, I'd
just be asking questions

Pretty unusual though.

JL
From: theo on
On Mar 24, 1:29 pm, Zebee Johnstone <zeb...(a)gmail.com> wrote:

> I wouldn't, because someone dressed like that is going to be worried
> about lifting floor tiles and crawling underneath (which isn't in my
> current job description but doesn't mean I haven't had to do it) and
> because someone dressed like that is almost certainly not going to be
> a good cultural fit.

There has been a huge cultural change. In the 70's and early 80's all
the computer techs I knew wore suits, probably more than half bespoke
tailored. I still have one in my wardrobe. I also regularly met techs
from other computer companies through my membership of the Australian
Service Managers Association. They were called Computer Engineers by
their employers and also got the floor tiles up.

> Better to over than underdress for an interview but only to a point...

Agreed.

Theo
From: Andrew on
On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 21:44:00 +1100, bikerbetty wrote:

> "G-S" <geoff(a)castbus.com.au> wrote in message
> news:4ba8991d$0$8837$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com...
>> bikerbetty wrote:
>>
>>> As much as I loathe playing the gender card, I wonder whether a bloke
>>> in fairly tame looking bike boots (no toe-sliders, buckles or
>>> butch-looking hardware!) and protective pants, with a nicely ironed
>>> shirt, would have earned similar disapproval.
>>
>> I experience similar issues often times when I turn up at an industry
>> or government meeting on the motorbike Betty.
>>
>> Despite what some people believe there is still discrimination against
>> motorcyclists, it's just less overt and more of a glass ceiling type of
>> thing.
>>
>> It's subtle but it's real as you've just seen :(
>>
>>
>> G-S
>
> Hmmm..... I think I can feel an article coming on.....can I call on you
> for anecdotes, G-S? What about the rest of you? Anybody else ever felt
> that being a biker has automatically put them in a bad place re
> jobs/credibility in industry/government fora?
>
> betty the writer

Meeting with several consultants and a posse of representatives of a
Senior Government Agency. They're all in suits and pressed shirts and I
show up in jeans and a grey m/c jacket with a black AGV under my arm.
Lead representative of the Senior Government Agency is perfectly pressed
and preened ($3500 suit, $800 tie, you know the type) and he's staring at
me like I'm something that crawled out from under a rock.

He's about my height, slim, with curly blond hair, so I decide to call
him on it. Turns out he owns a Yamahondawakuzi CBXZ1000RRZXV that's
practically new, and it hasn't been out of the garage in weeks because he
hasn't had time; he's staring at me because he's *jealous*.

Made my day :-)

--
Regards

Andrew
From: Zebee Johnstone on
In aus.motorcycles on Wed, 24 Mar 2010 00:26:17 -0700 (PDT)
theo <theodoreb(a)bigpond.com.au> wrote:
> On Mar 24, 3:07?pm, Zebee Johnstone <zeb...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> The senior academic who used to ride to UNSW then
>> wander around half the day still in his lycra kit did change into
>> something else if he was lecturing.
>>
>> Mainly because the students got distracted...
>
> We had showers and change-rooms. I felt the need for a shower when I
> got to work, especially if it was raining.

This was an academic.

Trust me, universities are Different.

I am surprised no one's done a survey of the number of high functioning
autistics in academic ranks of the science depts of sandstone
universities, bet it's well above the population average.

Zebee

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