From: theo on
On Mar 24, 3:41 pm, Zebee Johnstone <zeb...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> In aus.motorcycles on Wed, 24 Mar 2010 00:26:17 -0700 (PDT)
>
> theo <theodo...(a)bigpond.com.au> wrote:
> > On Mar 24, 3:07?pm, Zebee Johnstone <zeb...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >> The senior academic who used to ride to UNSW then
> >> wander around half the day still in his lycra kit did change into
> >> something else if he was lecturing.
>
> >> Mainly because the students got distracted...
>
> > We had showers and change-rooms. I felt the need for a shower when I
> > got to work, especially if it was raining.
>
> This was an academic.
>
> Trust me, universities are Different.
>
> I am surprised no one's done a survey of the number of high functioning
> autistics in academic ranks of the science depts of sandstone
> universities, bet it's well above the population average.

I think those people are allowed to be come senior lecturers and are
kept in those jobs because they are just too scary to have in the
general population.

They couldn't get or keep a job which has commercial goals and KPI's
anyway.

Theo
From: Kevin Gleeson on
On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 17:13:06 -0700 (PDT), JL <jlittler(a)my-deja.com>
wrote:

>On Mar 24, 7:37�am, Kevin Gleeson <kevinglee...(a)imagine-it.com.au>
>wrote:
>> One day people will judge people one what they do, not what they wear.
>> Yeah right.
>
>What you wear is very informative about you as a person, and
>deliberately being non conformist to a dress code (not wearing a suit
>for an office job interview for example or wearing a suit to an
>interview as a creative in the advertising industry) sends a clear
>signal about your mental attitude and approach. Why would anyone hire
>someone who loudly proclaims "I'm a subversive, I've no interested in
>fitting in to your organisation's culture, if I don't like your rules,
>I'll ignore them"
>
>It is extraordinarily unusual for a role to be utterly stand alone,
>generally you have to work as part of a team, and your approach to
>team is clearly signalled by your willingness to be part of the
>culture. An academic article published in the Harvard Business Review
>concluded pretty forcefully that the person who is a "genius but an
>arsehole who can't get along with others" (more nicely worded in the
>article) is a net liability - it's genuinely not worth having them on
>the team for the damage it does to the team.
>
>It's extraordinarily juvenile to whine about "not judging people by
>what they wear" when it is human nature to do exactly that - we gather
>a huge amount of information visually, how you process that
>information is the critical part.
>
>Concluding things about people from what they wear has to be
>approached carefully - some conclusions are supportable, some aren't.
>
>It's reasonable to assume that someone turning up for an interview in
>inappropriate clothing either a) doesn't understand what is
>appropriate or b) doesn't care or c) isn't able to comply
>
>Those three options lead to very different conclusions and actions.
>
>FWIW I've hired 60 people in the last 12months alone (probably a 500
>or more in the last decade and a bit) with a good track record of
>success and physical appearance and presentation is only one of many
>clues as to someone's capability, don't forget though that capability
>has to be coupled with desire to work and desire to do a good job. And
>appearance is a clue as to their attention to detail.
>
>JL
>All of which is not to suggest Betty should have been discriminated
>against, but the other poster who suggested that there would be an
>assumption that that was how she would turn up everyday is utterly
>correct- I have no idea whether that is or isn't a problem as I have
>no idea what she wore and whether it's inappropriate

I'm not disagreeing with that John, just that what defines how you
turn up. I always turn up at work neat and tidy. I think it is a
little weird that (for men especially) there seems to be such a narrow
defintion of what is acceptable, whereas females get a much broader
range of what they can wear that acceptable.

Look at a formal penguin suit dinner. All the guys look identical, yet
the ladies are assumed to be as varied as possible. I find that quite
weird.

Kev
From: atec 77 "atec 77 on
Zebee Johnstone wrote:
> In aus.motorcycles on Wed, 24 Mar 2010 00:26:17 -0700 (PDT)
> theo <theodoreb(a)bigpond.com.au> wrote:
>> On Mar 24, 3:07?pm, Zebee Johnstone <zeb...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>> The senior academic who used to ride to UNSW then
>>> wander around half the day still in his lycra kit did change into
>>> something else if he was lecturing.
>>>
>>> Mainly because the students got distracted...
>> We had showers and change-rooms. I felt the need for a shower when I
>> got to work, especially if it was raining.
>
> This was an academic.
>
> Trust me, universities are Different.
>
> I am surprised no one's done a survey of the number of high functioning
> autistics in academic ranks of the science depts of sandstone
> universities, bet it's well above the population average.
>
> Zebee
>
The other place to find one of them if you really have to is Quake clans
From: Nev.. on
theo wrote:
> On Mar 23, 10:29 pm, Lars Chance <lars.cha...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Zebee Johnstone wrote:
>>> On the other hand... I've been refused service in a restaurant and 2
>>> pubs for turning up in bike kit.
>> The only biker discrimination that I've ever experienced (or ever
>> picked-up-on) was at Parkes where the Motel receptionist looked at my
>> soaked and bedraggled self and offered that I should go to the
>> caravan-park instead as I would be more comfortable.
>> I did (and I probably was!)
>
> I didn't have any problem turning up at the North Sydney Hilton in my
> wet weather gear. The doorman carried my paniers in for me. But I had
> to park the bike myself.

Better off dealing with those things yourself. Last time I stayed at a
hotel with valet parking, I had to wait about 20 mins for them to get my
car when I was leaving. The valet apologies profusely. he didn't know
how to drive a manual car. He had to find someone else to bring my car
to the front. I was certainly relieved that I'd chosen to take the car
and not my old 1935 Buick pickup with no synchro on any gears, 2 clutch
pedals, three on the tree and a double decaf soy latte with a twist of
lemon.

Nev..
'08 DL1000K8
From: bikerbetty on

"Nev.." <idiot(a)mindless.com> wrote in message
news:-tidndtvbOJQejTWnZ2dnUVZ_jWdnZ2d(a)westnet.com.au...
> theo wrote:
>> On Mar 23, 10:29 pm, Lars Chance <lars.cha...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> Zebee Johnstone wrote:
>>>> On the other hand... I've been refused service in a restaurant and 2
>>>> pubs for turning up in bike kit.
>>> The only biker discrimination that I've ever experienced (or ever
>>> picked-up-on) was at Parkes where the Motel receptionist looked at my
>>> soaked and bedraggled self and offered that I should go to the
>>> caravan-park instead as I would be more comfortable.
>>> I did (and I probably was!)
>>
>> I didn't have any problem turning up at the North Sydney Hilton in my
>> wet weather gear. The doorman carried my paniers in for me. But I had
>> to park the bike myself.
>
> Better off dealing with those things yourself. Last time I stayed at a
> hotel with valet parking, I had to wait about 20 mins for them to get my
> car when I was leaving. The valet apologies profusely. he didn't know
> how to drive a manual car. He had to find someone else to bring my car to
> the front. I was certainly relieved that I'd chosen to take the car and
> not my old 1935 Buick pickup with no synchro on any gears, 2 clutch
> pedals, three on the tree and a double decaf soy latte with a twist of
> lemon.
>
> Nev..
> '08 DL1000K8

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaargh, Jeeezus Nev, I laughed so much I nearly lost the last
glass of red there!

betty


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