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From: Lozzo on 26 Dec 2009 18:34 Colin Irvine wrote: > On 26 Dec 2009 21:37:12 GMT, Lozzo squeezed out the following: > > > Beav wrote: > > > > > >> And despite what you've read, it's still > >> perfectly acceptable to call the flag the Union Jack. > > > > It most certainly is not! > > It is when it's flying on the ships of the Royal Navy - otherwise > Union Flag. Exactly, and how often does anyone refer to flags flying from the ships of the Royal Navy in everyday conversation. -- Lozzo Versys 650 Tourer, CBR600F-W racebike in the making, SR250 SpazzTrakka, TS250C, RD400F (somewhere) Garage clearout - Yamaha SpazzTrakka 250 for sale, email for details
From: steve auvache on 27 Dec 2009 00:44 In article <%cvZm.128$tB5.55(a)newsfe28.ams2>, Beav <beavis.original(a)ntlwo xorld.com> writes > >You appear to think that I have a dislike of our soldiers, but you couldn't >be more wrong. Not at all. I don't actually recall you making any moves to criticise Our Brave Lads and Lasses what are laying down their lives so you can sleep sound in your bed. So, as usual, it is not me that is wrong but you but we shall skip that and move on shall we. No point in belabouring your shortcomings just to make a debating point is there? >> The Sun >Rarely "read" it, so I can't comment. From UKRM Rules of Conduct #101: "Never allow a lack of knowledge on any subject prevent you from expressing your unfounded opinions." -- steve auvache
From: Ace on 27 Dec 2009 03:48 On 26 Dec 2009 23:34:56 GMT, "Lozzo" <lozzo(a)lozzo.org.uk> wrote: >Colin Irvine wrote: > >> On 26 Dec 2009 21:37:12 GMT, Lozzo squeezed out the following: >> >> > Beav wrote: >> > >> > >> >> And despite what you've read, it's still >> >> perfectly acceptable to call the flag the Union Jack. >> > >> > It most certainly is not! >> >> It is when it's flying on the ships of the Royal Navy - otherwise >> Union Flag. > >Exactly, and how often does anyone refer to flags flying from the ships >of the Royal Navy in everyday conversation. I'm afraid Beav has the right of it here. See wikipedia for references: >: "The Flag Institute, the vexillological organisation for the United Kingdom, >: stated that the term Union Flag is a "relatively recent idea". Jack was a word >: previously used to denote any flag.[4] It also noted that "From early in its >: life the Admiralty itself frequently referred to the flag as the Union Jack, >: whatever its use, and in 1902 an Admiralty Circular announced that Their >: Lordships had decided that either name could be used officially. Such use >: was given Parliamentary approval in 1908 when it was stated that "the Union >: Jack should be regarded as the National flag".
From: Colin Irvine on 27 Dec 2009 05:21 On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 09:48:19 +0100, Ace squeezed out the following: >On 26 Dec 2009 23:34:56 GMT, "Lozzo" <lozzo(a)lozzo.org.uk> wrote: > >>Colin Irvine wrote: >> >>> On 26 Dec 2009 21:37:12 GMT, Lozzo squeezed out the following: >>> >>> > Beav wrote: >>> > >>> > >>> >> And despite what you've read, it's still >>> >> perfectly acceptable to call the flag the Union Jack. >>> > >>> > It most certainly is not! >>> >>> It is when it's flying on the ships of the Royal Navy - otherwise >>> Union Flag. >> >>Exactly, and how often does anyone refer to flags flying from the ships >>of the Royal Navy in everyday conversation. > >I'm afraid Beav has the right of it here. See wikipedia for >references: > >>: "The Flag Institute, the vexillological organisation for the United Kingdom, >>: stated that the term Union Flag is a "relatively recent idea". Jack was a word >>: previously used to denote any flag.[4] It also noted that "From early in its >>: life the Admiralty itself frequently referred to the flag as the Union Jack, >>: whatever its use, and in 1902 an Admiralty Circular announced that Their >>: Lordships had decided that either name could be used officially. Such use >>: was given Parliamentary approval in 1908 when it was stated that "the Union >>: Jack should be regarded as the National flag". "it is now sanctioned by use, has appeared in official use, and remains the popular term". That's happened to many words in the English language. Doesn't make them correct. -- Colin Irvine ZZR1400 BOF#33 BONY#34 COFF#06 BHaLC#5 http://www.colinandpat.co.uk
From: Champ on 27 Dec 2009 07:33
On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 10:21:05 +0000, Colin Irvine <look(a)bottom.of.home.page> wrote: >"it is now sanctioned by use, has appeared in official use, and >remains the popular term". That's happened to many words in the >English language. Doesn't make them correct. <re-animates old, old argument> What other authority, other than usage, can bestow 'correctness' ? -- Champ We declare that the splendor of the world has been enriched by a new beauty: the beauty of speed. ZX10R | Hayabusa | GPz750turbo neal at champ dot org dot uk |