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From: Zebee Johnstone on 16 Jan 2008 20:30 In aus.motorcycles on Thu, 17 Jan 2008 12:07:13 +1100 CrazyCam <crazycam(a)upturnet.com.au> wrote: > CrazyCam wrote: >> Zebee Johnstone wrote: >>> There's a move afoot in Sydney to ban people from entering pubs if they >>> are wearing outlaw club colours or otherwise displaying club logos. (And >>> they've named the clubs, the ones most of us think of when we think >>> "outlaw club" such as Rebels and Bandidos). THe idea is the pubs >>> themselves do the banning rather than this being a law as such. >> >> One wonders if the H.O.G. riders will be upset if the are banned or >> upset if they aren't banned. ;-) > > Come to think of it, some Ulysses Club members might confused too. > The press release gives names of clubs. How it is determined what an "outlaw motorcycle club" is, or what "club regalia" is, has not been said. Preumably an outlaw club is any club the police say is one, and club regalia/insignia is anything the bouncer says it is. I dunno if the cops would class Ulysses or Kings Cross Bikers as "outlaws" but a bouncer might easily decide any patch is a bad patch. The result at the moment would be not being able to go into a particular pub. I do expect that if this is seen as successful it will extend to other establishments. Whether that will affect other riders there's no way to know. Zebee
From: atec77 on 16 Jan 2008 20:49 Zebee Johnstone wrote: > In aus.motorcycles on Thu, 17 Jan 2008 12:07:13 +1100 > CrazyCam <crazycam(a)upturnet.com.au> wrote: >> CrazyCam wrote: >>> Zebee Johnstone wrote: >>>> There's a move afoot in Sydney to ban people from entering pubs if they >>>> are wearing outlaw club colours or otherwise displaying club logos. (And >>>> they've named the clubs, the ones most of us think of when we think >>>> "outlaw club" such as Rebels and Bandidos). THe idea is the pubs >>>> themselves do the banning rather than this being a law as such. >>> One wonders if the H.O.G. riders will be upset if the are banned or >>> upset if they aren't banned. ;-) >> Come to think of it, some Ulysses Club members might confused too. >> > > The press release gives names of clubs. How it is determined what an > "outlaw motorcycle club" is, or what "club regalia" is, has not been > said. > > Preumably an outlaw club is any club the police say is one, and club > regalia/insignia is anything the bouncer says it is. > > I dunno if the cops would class Ulysses or Kings Cross Bikers as > "outlaws" but a bouncer might easily decide any patch is a bad patch. Bouncer ? incorrect , please use crowd controller / Security Person in the future thanks (wouldn't want to bruise any ones ego) > > The result at the moment would be not being able to go into a > particular pub. I do expect that if this is seen as successful it > will extend to other establishments. Whether that will affect other > riders there's no way to know. > > Zebee
From: Damien on 16 Jan 2008 21:09 atec77 wrote: > Damien wrote: >> atec77 wrote: >>> Bouncer ? >>> incorrect , please use crowd controller / Security Person in the >>> future thanks (wouldn't want to bruise any ones ego) >> >> Jumped-up egotistical rent-a-cops? :-) > can I watch while you mention this tag to one of the local protective > persons :) hmm...laugh on NG versus beating at hands of offended shaved monkey...can I pass? :-P
From: JL on 16 Jan 2008 21:39 On Jan 17, 11:59 am, CrazyCam <crazy...(a)upturnet.com.au> wrote: > Zebee Johnstone wrote: > > There's a move afoot in Sydney to ban people from entering pubs if they > > are wearing outlaw club colours or otherwise displaying club logos. (And > > they've named the clubs, the ones most of us think of when we think > > "outlaw club" such as Rebels and Bandidos). THe idea is the pubs > > themselves do the banning rather than this being a law as such. > > It's been done before. > > AFAIK, pubs can set whatever conditions they like, wrt people not being > allowed in, subject, possibly to anti-discrimination regulations. > > > The UMC - an umbrella group of the patch clubs, who send a delegate to > > the MCC of NSW like any other club can - has asked that the MCC as a > > lobby group become involved in fighting this. > > Fighting it how exactly? > > If you publish a list of hotels that have such rules, I will quite > happily undertake to not go into them. > > Can't see what else can be done. > > > Is this something non-patch-club riders should worry about, as an attack > > on motorcyclists? > > Of course its an attack on motorcyclists. Well actually (IMNSHO) it's an attack on a sub group of motorcyclists.... the article quoted on the MCC list (I'll post a URL when I find one shortly) indicated the ban was only of a list of 18 specified clubs displaying regalia. So OMCG members could enter the pub provided they didn't wear colours. Same as you can visit a pub as long as you don't smoke. > One wonders if the H.O.G. riders will be upset if the are banned or > upset if they aren't banned. ;-) Well they're not banned (it's just 1%ers - Rebels, Gypsy Jokers, Commies etc) > > Is this something we should be concerned about as citizens, that you > > get banned because of what you wear or who you choose to associate with, > > even though you personally have done nothing wrong? > > It's kind of far too late to have that discussion now. :-) I agree - that ship sailed quite a long time ago, unwinding a decade worth of inroads in personal freedoms needs to start with more important issues like not being locked up without access to a lawyer and etc ..snip > N.B. I am slightly concerned that such action has been made illegal. > GB, JL? Unless I've missed something, it's perfectly legit - the pubs in question have had a requirement put on them as part of their licencing that they refuse entry to people wearing specified clothing and/or "regalia" (ie colours). It's no different to the requirement to eject smokers if they smoke, or to close their doors at a certain hour. There's certainly nothing in the federal or state constitutions against it, and the discrimination legislation is quite narrowly focussed on sexual, gender or racial discrimination (as I understand it, it was pretty hard to get sexual orientation discrimination passed in this state, a minority who make up a far bigger slice of the population than one-percenters do). There's nothing to say that it is illegal to discriminate against people's ability to enter a licenced establishment based on their clothing. If there was pretty much every pub and nightclub in Sydney would be in trouble... JL
From: atec77 on 16 Jan 2008 22:04
Damien wrote: > atec77 wrote: >> Damien wrote: >>> atec77 wrote: >>>> Bouncer ? >>>> incorrect , please use crowd controller / Security Person in the >>>> future thanks (wouldn't want to bruise any ones ego) >>> >>> Jumped-up egotistical rent-a-cops? :-) >> can I watch while you mention this tag to one of the local protective >> persons :) > > > hmm...laugh on NG versus beating at hands of offended shaved > monkey...can I pass? :-P shaved monkey ? are you "the" continent ? |