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From: Zebee Johnstone on 17 Jan 2008 14:36 In aus.motorcycles on Thu, 17 Jan 2008 23:08:25 +1100 diogenes <cynic(a)society.sux.ok> wrote: > On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 16:39:36 +1100, Damien <al.qaeda(a)asio.gov.au> > wrote: > >>> they deserve all they get ..... >> >>Who deserves it? The completely innocent law-abiding motorcycle rider >>who gets mistaken for a member of a patch club? > > And how would one get "mistaken" for a member of a patch club, Damien? You can wear an unadorned jacket and carry a bike helmet. I thought you were old enough to remember those days Gerry? I can remember the day after the Milperra shootout when anyone carrying a helmet was trouble. I - female, 20s, unadorned jacket - had concerned mothers dragging their children away from my dangerous presence. It got so bad that the MRA had to hold a press conference to reassure people that your average rider wasn't going to shoot people. Riders know the difference. Many others don't. I'm not the only one who has been refused service for being a "bikie" either. It has happened before it can happen again. What's exercising people right now is, is this a sign it *might* happen real soon now? Will a change in licencing laws herald a change in other laws as is happening in SA, and will that affect non-outlaws? And is it right to ban someone who is doing no wrong because of the clothes or jewellery they wear that signifies a political or social identity? Zebee
From: Zebee Johnstone on 17 Jan 2008 14:37 In aus.motorcycles on Thu, 17 Jan 2008 23:27:21 +0900 corks <trigarti67(a)nospam.iinet.net.au> wrote: > > ummm can you name or tell me of a patch club that hasnt lived up to their > ''colours'' Vietnam Veterans? Zebee
From: CrazyCam on 17 Jan 2008 15:52 JL wrote: <snip> >> No, John, it was organising a commercial boycott, as in a web page >> with the names of pubs not to go to. >> >> I have a sort of feeling that doing that has actually been made illegal. > > OH ! Missed your point. Errm, actually you may be right, I'll have to > check. Why do I get the feeling that Alice (remember Alice?) may well be thinking about publishing some kind of list of pubs and hotels where certain folk would not be welcomed? > JL > (you could always just ask the better half) It's like this John, if you, or GB, go into a complicated explanation, with quotes, footnotes, and commentaries, I can read the bits I want and then skip to next. regards, CrazyCam
From: CrazyCam on 17 Jan 2008 15:58 Hi corks. I know this may sound like a daft question, but, if all the 1%ers are such evil nasty law breaking people why aren't they in jail? Like, "everybody" knows that they do illegal stuff...eat babies, double park, have noisy exhausts on their bikes, and probably enjoy themselves (Obviously a major crime in NSW) so why is it that there is such a big deal about trying to stop them going into pubs? I mean it's a pretty pathetic and niggly "punishment". regards, CrazyCam
From: Nigel Allen "dna at edrs dot remove this com dot on 17 Jan 2008 16:12
On 18/01/2008 6:36 AM, Zebee Johnstone wrote: > In aus.motorcycles on Thu, 17 Jan 2008 23:08:25 +1100 > diogenes <cynic(a)society.sux.ok> wrote: >> On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 16:39:36 +1100, Damien <al.qaeda(a)asio.gov.au> >> wrote: >> >>>> they deserve all they get ..... >>> Who deserves it? The completely innocent law-abiding motorcycle rider >>> who gets mistaken for a member of a patch club? >> And how would one get "mistaken" for a member of a patch club, Damien? > > You can wear an unadorned jacket and carry a bike helmet. > > I thought you were old enough to remember those days Gerry? > > I can remember the day after the Milperra shootout when anyone carrying > a helmet was trouble. I - female, 20s, unadorned jacket - had concerned > mothers dragging their children away from my dangerous presence. It > got so bad that the MRA had to hold a press conference to reassure > people that your average rider wasn't going to shoot people. Geez - I thought I was the only one going back that far :) I've suffered the same thing in the UK in the 70's - it wasn't unusual for pubs out in the countryside to have two signs outside of "No Coaches" and "No Motorbikes". Like it or not - in the mind of a sizeable percentage of the community we are ALL Hell's Angels (or worse) because they are frightened at the freedom which we enjoy. We are different and therefore something to be afraid of. When some FW starts on one section of the motorcycle community it affects us all regardless of how much we bang on about whether or not we give a fsck about others. We ARE others. Nigel. > Riders know the difference. Many others don't. > > I'm not the only one who has been refused service for being a "bikie" > either. It has happened before it can happen again. What's > exercising people right now is, is this a sign it *might* happen real > soon now? > > Will a change in licencing laws herald a change in other laws as is > happening in SA, and will that affect non-outlaws? > > And is it right to ban someone who is doing no wrong because of the > clothes or jewellery they wear that signifies a political or social > identity? > > Zebee |