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From: JL on 16 Jan 2008 22:16
On Jan 17, 12:17 pm, tropi...(a)gmail.com wrote:
> On Jan 17, 11:27 am, Zebee Johnstone <zeb...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > There's a move afoot in Sydney to ban people from entering pubs if they
> > are wearing outlaw club colours or otherwise displaying club logos. (And
> > they've named the clubs, the ones most of us think of when we think
> > "outlaw club" such as Rebels and Bandidos). THe idea is the pubs
> > themselves do the banning rather than this being a law as such.
> > The UMC - an umbrella group of the patch clubs, who send a delegate to
> > the MCC of NSW like any other club can - has asked that the MCC as a
> > lobby group become involved in fighting this.
> > As the aus.moto delegate, I need to know what the people I'm representing
> > think.
> > Is this something non-patch-club riders should worry about, as an attack
> > on motorcyclists?
> > Is this liable to be a problem for non-patch motorcyclists, like "you
> > ride bikes and we don't want you"?
> > Is this something we should be concerned about as citizens, that you
> > get banned because of what you wear or who you choose to associate with,
> > even though you personally have done nothing wrong?
> > In other words, is this something the Motorcycle Council od NSW should
> > be involved in?
> > This is a Sydney (well Paramatta so far, but it will spread) thing,
> > but I believe other state groups are doing the same, in SA they are
> > talking about making it law.
> > So tell me aus.moto, what do you want the MCC to do in this? Oppose the
> > ban or not? If the MCC should support the UMC in opposition to the ban,
> > what form should that support take?
> > Zebee
> I'm opposed to government bans on most things (including this), but
> it's a bit rich for the patch clubs to start bitching about their
> rights when they are willing to bash someone for wearing rockers on
> their jackets
(either you're an outlaw or you're not...)
From: Boxer on 16 Jan 2008 22:47
"Zebee Johnstone" <zebeej(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
> Is this something non-patch-club riders should worry about, as an attack
> on motorcyclists?
In my view it is as much an attack on a minority group as the "Patch Club's"
attack upon the Ulysses members who add "Rockers" to the Ulysses logo, in
that action "Patch Clubs" demonstrated their distain for other
"Motorcyclists" and do not deserve the support of the wider body of
Motorcyclists on this issue.
Should "Patch Clubs" demand the right to wear their Colors in public surely
they should support other motorcyclists rights to get out their textacolors
and draw pretty pictures on the back of their jackets also.
Should the NSW Government want to ban "Outlaw Motorcycle Clubs" they shoul
have the guts to do it themselves rather than hide behing Pubs and Clubs.
From: CrazyCam on 16 Jan 2008 22:57
> On Jan 17, 11:59 am, CrazyCam <crazy...(a)upturnet.com.au> wrote:
>> Zebee Johnstone wrote:
>>> There's a move afoot in Sydney to ban people from entering pubs if they
>>> are wearing outlaw club colours or otherwise displaying club logos. (And
>>> they've named the clubs, the ones most of us think of when we think
>>> "outlaw club" such as Rebels and Bandidos). THe idea is the pubs
>>> themselves do the banning rather than this being a law as such.
>> It's been done before.
>> AFAIK, pubs can set whatever conditions they like, wrt people not being
>> allowed in, subject, possibly to anti-discrimination regulations.
>>> The UMC - an umbrella group of the patch clubs, who send a delegate to
>>> the MCC of NSW like any other club can - has asked that the MCC as a
>>> lobby group become involved in fighting this.
>> Fighting it how exactly?
>> If you publish a list of hotels that have such rules, I will quite
>> happily undertake to not go into them.
>> Can't see what else can be done.
>>> Is this something non-patch-club riders should worry about, as an attack
>>> on motorcyclists?
>> Of course its an attack on motorcyclists.
> Well actually (IMNSHO) it's an attack on a sub group of
> motorcyclists.... the article quoted on the MCC list (I'll post a URL
> when I find one shortly) indicated the ban was only of a list of 18
> specified clubs displaying regalia. So OMCG members could enter the
> pub provided they didn't wear colours. Same as you can visit a pub as
> long as you don't smoke.
>> One wonders if the H.O.G. riders will be upset if the are banned or
>> upset if they aren't banned. ;-)
> Well they're not banned (it's just 1%ers - Rebels, Gypsy Jokers,
> Commies etc)
But some of the HOG lot go to such extremes to try and look like 1%ers.
>>> Is this something we should be concerned about as citizens, that you
>>> get banned because of what you wear or who you choose to associate with,
>>> even though you personally have done nothing wrong?
>> It's kind of far too late to have that discussion now. :-)
> I agree - that ship sailed quite a long time ago, unwinding a decade
> worth of inroads in personal freedoms needs to start with more
> important issues like not being locked up without access to a lawyer
> and etc
>> N.B. I am slightly concerned that such action has been made illegal.
>> GB, JL?
No, John, it was organising a commercial boycott, as in a web page with
the names of pubs not to go to.
I have a sort of feeling that doing that has actually been made illegal.
From: Boxer on 16 Jan 2008 22:58
"JL" <jlittler(a)my-deja.com> wrote in message
On Jan 17, 12:55 pm, Damien <al.qa...(a)asio.gov.au> wrote:
>Already happens now, any pub or club can enforce any dress code they
>want - just try to get into any of Sydney's inner city nightclubs in
>the wrong clothes and see how far you get.
In Brisbane you will have trouble getting into night clubs if you are too
old, too ugly or dressed unfashionably
(Never mind, I did not like the music anyway).
From: Zebee Johnstone on 16 Jan 2008 23:12
In aus.motorcycles on Wed, 16 Jan 2008 19:35:46 -0800 (PST)
JL <jlittler(a)my-deja.com> wrote:
> Here's a URL for the story, noting that the following lines which were
> posted to the MCC list (purportedly transcribed from the paper copy
> are NOT in the online copy) (spell errors are transcriber's I
> They are The Bandidos,The black Ulans, Coffin Cheaters,
> Comancheros,Finks,Fourth Reich,
> Gladiators,Gypsey Jokers,Highway 61, Life and Death, Lone Wolf,
> Mobshitters, Nomads,
> Odins Warriers, Outcasts,Outlaws, Phoenix and Rebels.
I presume the club list is the one mentioned here:
"The Royal Oak already has erected signs spelling out the ban on
members of 19 bikie clubs."
However there still is no info easily available on how the list was
compiled. We'd need to see into the licence to see what they've been
asked to do.
Apropos of a boycott: "Apart from fear over bikies' behaviour, other
patrons had stopped going to hotels with a reputed high bikie
I suspect that the publicans will sell more food and higher priced
drinks than they will lose out of this.
- who did once get thrown out of the Woodman's Inn for being too well