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From: Zebee Johnstone on 16 Jan 2008 19:27 There's a move afoot in Sydney to ban people from entering pubs if they are wearing outlaw club colours or otherwise displaying club logos. (And they've named the clubs, the ones most of us think of when we think "outlaw club" such as Rebels and Bandidos). THe idea is the pubs themselves do the banning rather than this being a law as such. The UMC - an umbrella group of the patch clubs, who send a delegate to the MCC of NSW like any other club can - has asked that the MCC as a lobby group become involved in fighting this. As the aus.moto delegate, I need to know what the people I'm representing think. Is this something non-patch-club riders should worry about, as an attack on motorcyclists? Is this liable to be a problem for non-patch motorcyclists, like "you ride bikes and we don't want you"? Is this something we should be concerned about as citizens, that you get banned because of what you wear or who you choose to associate with, even though you personally have done nothing wrong? In other words, is this something the Motorcycle Council od NSW should be involved in? This is a Sydney (well Paramatta so far, but it will spread) thing, but I believe other state groups are doing the same, in SA they are talking about making it law. So tell me aus.moto, what do you want the MCC to do in this? Oppose the ban or not? If the MCC should support the UMC in opposition to the ban, what form should that support take? Zebee
From: Will_S on 16 Jan 2008 19:46 Next thing they will be banning leather jackets Its stupid "Zebee Johnstone" <zebeej(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:slrnfot880.1i8.zebeej(a)gmail.com... > There's a move afoot in Sydney to ban people from entering pubs if they > are wearing outlaw club colours or otherwise displaying club logos. (And > they've named the clubs, the ones most of us think of when we think > "outlaw club" such as Rebels and Bandidos). THe idea is the pubs > themselves do the banning rather than this being a law as such. > > The UMC - an umbrella group of the patch clubs, who send a delegate to > the MCC of NSW like any other club can - has asked that the MCC as a > lobby group become involved in fighting this. > > As the aus.moto delegate, I need to know what the people I'm representing > think. > > Is this something non-patch-club riders should worry about, as an attack > on motorcyclists? > > Is this liable to be a problem for non-patch motorcyclists, like "you > ride bikes and we don't want you"? > > Is this something we should be concerned about as citizens, that you > get banned because of what you wear or who you choose to associate with, > even though you personally have done nothing wrong? > > In other words, is this something the Motorcycle Council od NSW should > be involved in? > > This is a Sydney (well Paramatta so far, but it will spread) thing, > but I believe other state groups are doing the same, in SA they are > talking about making it law. > > So tell me aus.moto, what do you want the MCC to do in this? Oppose the > ban or not? If the MCC should support the UMC in opposition to the ban, > what form should that support take? > > Zebee
From: CrazyCam on 16 Jan 2008 19:59 Zebee Johnstone wrote: > There's a move afoot in Sydney to ban people from entering pubs if they > are wearing outlaw club colours or otherwise displaying club logos. (And > they've named the clubs, the ones most of us think of when we think > "outlaw club" such as Rebels and Bandidos). THe idea is the pubs > themselves do the banning rather than this being a law as such. It's been done before. AFAIK, pubs can set whatever conditions they like, wrt people not being allowed in, subject, possibly to anti-discrimination regulations. > The UMC - an umbrella group of the patch clubs, who send a delegate to > the MCC of NSW like any other club can - has asked that the MCC as a > lobby group become involved in fighting this. Fighting it how exactly? If you publish a list of hotels that have such rules, I will quite happily undertake to not go into them. Can't see what else can be done. > Is this something non-patch-club riders should worry about, as an attack > on motorcyclists? Of course its an attack on motorcyclists. One wonders if the H.O.G. riders will be upset if the are banned or upset if they aren't banned. ;-) > Is this liable to be a problem for non-patch motorcyclists, like "you > ride bikes and we don't want you"? Probably. Given that pubs and hotels have already been forced to refuse my business anyway, 'cos I like a smoke, I'm not too concerned anyway. > Is this something we should be concerned about as citizens, that you > get banned because of what you wear or who you choose to associate with, > even though you personally have done nothing wrong? It's kind of far too late to have that discussion now. :-) > In other words, is this something the Motorcycle Council od NSW should > be involved in? > > This is a Sydney (well Paramatta so far, but it will spread) thing, > but I believe other state groups are doing the same, in SA they are > talking about making it law. > > So tell me aus.moto, what do you want the MCC to do in this? Oppose the > ban or not? If the MCC should support the UMC in opposition to the ban, > what form should that support take? I suggest that they maintain a web-page list of pubs and hotels trying on this policy, and folk who feel strongly enough about the topic simply don't use those pubs. N.B. I am slightly concerned that such action has been made illegal. GB, JL? regards, CrazyCam
From: CrazyCam on 16 Jan 2008 20:07 CrazyCam wrote: > Zebee Johnstone wrote: >> There's a move afoot in Sydney to ban people from entering pubs if they >> are wearing outlaw club colours or otherwise displaying club logos. (And >> they've named the clubs, the ones most of us think of when we think >> "outlaw club" such as Rebels and Bandidos). THe idea is the pubs >> themselves do the banning rather than this being a law as such. > > One wonders if the H.O.G. riders will be upset if the are banned or > upset if they aren't banned. ;-) Come to think of it, some Ulysses Club members might confused too. regards, CrazyCam
From: tropicus on 16 Jan 2008 20:17
On Jan 17, 11:27 am, Zebee Johnstone <zeb...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > There's a move afoot in Sydney to ban people from entering pubs if they > are wearing outlaw club colours or otherwise displaying club logos. (And > they've named the clubs, the ones most of us think of when we think > "outlaw club" such as Rebels and Bandidos). THe idea is the pubs > themselves do the banning rather than this being a law as such. > > The UMC - an umbrella group of the patch clubs, who send a delegate to > the MCC of NSW like any other club can - has asked that the MCC as a > lobby group become involved in fighting this. > > As the aus.moto delegate, I need to know what the people I'm representing > think. > > Is this something non-patch-club riders should worry about, as an attack > on motorcyclists? > > Is this liable to be a problem for non-patch motorcyclists, like "you > ride bikes and we don't want you"? > > Is this something we should be concerned about as citizens, that you > get banned because of what you wear or who you choose to associate with, > even though you personally have done nothing wrong? > > In other words, is this something the Motorcycle Council od NSW should > be involved in? > > This is a Sydney (well Paramatta so far, but it will spread) thing, > but I believe other state groups are doing the same, in SA they are > talking about making it law. > > So tell me aus.moto, what do you want the MCC to do in this? Oppose the > ban or not? If the MCC should support the UMC in opposition to the ban, > what form should that support take? > > Zebee I'm opposed to government bans on most things (including this), but it's a bit rich for the patch clubs to start bitching about their rights when they are willing to bash someone for wearing rockers on their jackets. |