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From: Yeebok on 3 Aug 2010 05:39 On 3/08/2010 7:33 PM, Nev.. wrote: > On 2/08/2010 9:56 PM, Yeebok wrote: >> On 2/08/2010 5:40 PM, George W Frost wrote: >>> "Yeebok"<yeeb(a)yeeb.yeeb> wrote in message >>> news:1dKdnePqSdH798vRnZ2dnUVZ_uGdnZ2d(a)westnet.com.au... >>>> On 24/07/2010 6:12 PM, Zebee Johnstone wrote: >>>>> http://www.riderripoff.com.au/ >>>>> >>>>> Authorised by Andrew Stoner MP... >>>>> >>>>> Zebee >>>> I received a PDF from Carmen Donnelly today justifying the price hikes. >>>> >>>> "The changes in the motorcycle groupings mean that motorcycle owners >>>> are >>>> now paying a Green Slip price which better reflects the actual cost of >>>> injuries and compensation for claims against Green Slip policies >>>> held by >>>> riders within each of the motorcycle groups. More than 50% of >>>> motorcycle >>>> owners will pay less for their Green Slip from July 2010. Approximately >>>> one third of motorcycle owners are likely to see an increase in their >>>> Green Slip renewal price as a result of these changes, as well as >>>> inflation and an increase in the current number of >>>> claims." >>>> >>>> bwahahaha... 'sif. >>> >>> Gobbledegook and spin doctoring at its best >>> >>> >> Yes, so I replied as below.. be interesting to see what comes back but I >> doubt it'll be any more helpful. >> >> >> - >> Hi >> >> So basically it is fair that a 2.5T Nissan Patrol is cheaper for CTP >> than a roughly 300Kg 750cc motorcycle, because a man hit by a Patrol >> would evidently get hurt less than the person hit by the bike. > > The only problem with pointing out specific examples like that and > leaving it to the reader to imagine them is that it IS possible to > imagine a person being more injured after being hit by a motorcycle than > by a Patrol if one closes their eyes and actually imagines it. > > Rather, you should stick to non-specific examples, and more important > facts, or perceived facts, like, other road users are much less likely > to be injured as the result of a collision with a motorcycle, eg, car > occupants are fairly well protected from the motorcycle and most > pedestrian accidents involve motor vehicles other than motorcycles. > > Nev.. > '08 DL1000K8 Good point Nev, hadn't considered that.
From: theo on 4 Aug 2010 03:16 On Aug 3, 5:33 pm, "Nev.." <id...(a)mindless.com> wrote: > On 2/08/2010 9:56 PM, Yeebok wrote: > > > > > > > On 2/08/2010 5:40 PM, George W Frost wrote: > >> "Yeebok"<y...(a)yeeb.yeeb> wrote in message > >>news:1dKdnePqSdH798vRnZ2dnUVZ_uGdnZ2d(a)westnet.com.au... > >>> On 24/07/2010 6:12 PM, Zebee Johnstone wrote: > >>>>http://www.riderripoff.com.au/ > > >>>> Authorised by Andrew Stoner MP... > > >>>> Zebee > >>> I received a PDF from Carmen Donnelly today justifying the price hikes. > > >>> "The changes in the motorcycle groupings mean that motorcycle owners are > >>> now paying a Green Slip price which better reflects the actual cost of > >>> injuries and compensation for claims against Green Slip policies held by > >>> riders within each of the motorcycle groups. More than 50% of motorcycle > >>> owners will pay less for their Green Slip from July 2010. Approximately > >>> one third of motorcycle owners are likely to see an increase in their > >>> Green Slip renewal price as a result of these changes, as well as > >>> inflation and an increase in the current number of > >>> claims." > > >>> bwahahaha... 'sif. > > >> Gobbledegook and spin doctoring at its best > > > Yes, so I replied as below.. be interesting to see what comes back but I > > doubt it'll be any more helpful. > > > - > > Hi > > > So basically it is fair that a 2.5T Nissan Patrol is cheaper for CTP > > than a roughly 300Kg 750cc motorcycle, because a man hit by a Patrol > > would evidently get hurt less than the person hit by the bike. > > The only problem with pointing out specific examples like that and > leaving it to the reader to imagine them is that it IS possible to > imagine a person being more injured after being hit by a motorcycle than > by a Patrol if one closes their eyes and actually imagines it. > > Rather, you should stick to non-specific examples, and more important > facts, or perceived facts, like, other road users are much less likely > to be injured as the result of a collision with a motorcycle, eg, car > occupants are fairly well protected from the motorcycle and most > pedestrian accidents involve motor vehicles other than motorcycles. As the motorcycle is half the width of a car, it is 50% less likely to hit anyone. Theo
From: hippo on 4 Aug 2010 04:03 Nev.. wrote: > > On 2/08/2010 9:56 PM, Yeebok wrote: > > On 2/08/2010 5:40 PM, George W Frost wrote: > >> "Yeebok"<yeeb(a)yeeb.yeeb> wrote in message > >> news:1dKdnePqSdH798vRnZ2dnUVZ_uGdnZ2d(a)westnet.com.au... > >>> On 24/07/2010 6:12 PM, Zebee Johnstone wrote: > >>>> http://www.riderripoff.com.au/ > >>>> > >>>> Authorised by Andrew Stoner MP... > >>>> > >>>> Zebee > >>> I received a PDF from Carmen Donnelly today justifying the price hikes. > >>> > >>> "The changes in the motorcycle groupings mean that motorcycle owners are > >>> now paying a Green Slip price which better reflects the actual cost of > >>> injuries and compensation for claims against Green Slip policies held by > >>> riders within each of the motorcycle groups. More than 50% of motorcycle > >>> owners will pay less for their Green Slip from July 2010. Approximately > >>> one third of motorcycle owners are likely to see an increase in their > >>> Green Slip renewal price as a result of these changes, as well as > >>> inflation and an increase in the current number of > >>> claims." > >>> > >>> bwahahaha... 'sif. > >> > >> Gobbledegook and spin doctoring at its best > >> > >> > > Yes, so I replied as below.. be interesting to see what comes back but I > > doubt it'll be any more helpful. > > > > > > - > > Hi > > > > So basically it is fair that a 2.5T Nissan Patrol is cheaper for CTP > > than a roughly 300Kg 750cc motorcycle, because a man hit by a Patrol > > would evidently get hurt less than the person hit by the bike. > > The only problem with pointing out specific examples like that and > leaving it to the reader to imagine them is that it IS possible to > imagine a person being more injured after being hit by a motorcycle than > by a Patrol if one closes their eyes and actually imagines it. > > Rather, you should stick to non-specific examples, and more important > facts, or perceived facts, like, other road users are much less likely > to be injured as the result of a collision with a motorcycle, eg, car > occupants are fairly well protected from the motorcycle and most > pedestrian accidents involve motor vehicles other than motorcycles. > > Nev.. > '08 DL1000K8 > > I must confess that in my naivete I have always believed that my CTP payments were my contribution to potential third party claims against me or my estate and *not* to fund claims that *I* might conceivably bring against another road user. Just shows to go, hey? -- Posted at www.usenet.com.au
From: George W Frost on 4 Aug 2010 07:22 "theo" <theodoreb(a)bigpond.com.au> wrote in message news:8d661969-c95b-4e6f-9e16-6bc40d4cf4cd(a)s24g2000pri.googlegroups.com... On Aug 3, 5:33 pm, "Nev.." <id...(a)mindless.com> wrote: > On 2/08/2010 9:56 PM, Yeebok wrote: > > > > > > > On 2/08/2010 5:40 PM, George W Frost wrote: > >> "Yeebok"<y...(a)yeeb.yeeb> wrote in message > >>news:1dKdnePqSdH798vRnZ2dnUVZ_uGdnZ2d(a)westnet.com.au... > >>> On 24/07/2010 6:12 PM, Zebee Johnstone wrote: > >>>>http://www.riderripoff.com.au/ > > >>>> Authorised by Andrew Stoner MP... > > >>>> Zebee > >>> I received a PDF from Carmen Donnelly today justifying the price > >>> hikes. > > >>> "The changes in the motorcycle groupings mean that motorcycle owners > >>> are > >>> now paying a Green Slip price which better reflects the actual cost of > >>> injuries and compensation for claims against Green Slip policies held > >>> by > >>> riders within each of the motorcycle groups. More than 50% of > >>> motorcycle > >>> owners will pay less for their Green Slip from July 2010. > >>> Approximately > >>> one third of motorcycle owners are likely to see an increase in their > >>> Green Slip renewal price as a result of these changes, as well as > >>> inflation and an increase in the current number of > >>> claims." > > >>> bwahahaha... 'sif. > > >> Gobbledegook and spin doctoring at its best > > > Yes, so I replied as below.. be interesting to see what comes back but I > > doubt it'll be any more helpful. > > > - > > Hi > > > So basically it is fair that a 2.5T Nissan Patrol is cheaper for CTP > > than a roughly 300Kg 750cc motorcycle, because a man hit by a Patrol > > would evidently get hurt less than the person hit by the bike. > > The only problem with pointing out specific examples like that and > leaving it to the reader to imagine them is that it IS possible to > imagine a person being more injured after being hit by a motorcycle than > by a Patrol if one closes their eyes and actually imagines it. > > Rather, you should stick to non-specific examples, and more important > facts, or perceived facts, like, other road users are much less likely > to be injured as the result of a collision with a motorcycle, eg, car > occupants are fairly well protected from the motorcycle and most > pedestrian accidents involve motor vehicles other than motorcycles. As the motorcycle is half the width of a car, it is 50% less likely to hit anyone. Theo ************************ You have a bloody wide bike Theo You ride a Leadwing? The typical bike is one third the width of a car therefore it is 66% less likely to hit anyone
From: theo on 5 Aug 2010 04:35
On Aug 4, 7:22 pm, "George W Frost" <georgewfr...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > "theo" <theodo...(a)bigpond.com.au> wrote in message > > news:8d661969-c95b-4e6f-9e16-6bc40d4cf4cd(a)s24g2000pri.googlegroups.com... > On Aug 3, 5:33 pm, "Nev.." <id...(a)mindless.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On 2/08/2010 9:56 PM, Yeebok wrote: > > > > On 2/08/2010 5:40 PM, George W Frost wrote: > > >> "Yeebok"<y...(a)yeeb.yeeb> wrote in message > > >>news:1dKdnePqSdH798vRnZ2dnUVZ_uGdnZ2d(a)westnet.com.au... > > >>> On 24/07/2010 6:12 PM, Zebee Johnstone wrote: > > >>>>http://www.riderripoff.com.au/ > > > >>>> Authorised by Andrew Stoner MP... > > > >>>> Zebee > > >>> I received a PDF from Carmen Donnelly today justifying the price > > >>> hikes. > > > >>> "The changes in the motorcycle groupings mean that motorcycle owners > > >>> are > > >>> now paying a Green Slip price which better reflects the actual cost of > > >>> injuries and compensation for claims against Green Slip policies held > > >>> by > > >>> riders within each of the motorcycle groups. More than 50% of > > >>> motorcycle > > >>> owners will pay less for their Green Slip from July 2010. > > >>> Approximately > > >>> one third of motorcycle owners are likely to see an increase in their > > >>> Green Slip renewal price as a result of these changes, as well as > > >>> inflation and an increase in the current number of > > >>> claims." > > > >>> bwahahaha... 'sif. > > > >> Gobbledegook and spin doctoring at its best > > > > Yes, so I replied as below.. be interesting to see what comes back but I > > > doubt it'll be any more helpful. > > > > - > > > Hi > > > > So basically it is fair that a 2.5T Nissan Patrol is cheaper for CTP > > > than a roughly 300Kg 750cc motorcycle, because a man hit by a Patrol > > > would evidently get hurt less than the person hit by the bike. > > > The only problem with pointing out specific examples like that and > > leaving it to the reader to imagine them is that it IS possible to > > imagine a person being more injured after being hit by a motorcycle than > > by a Patrol if one closes their eyes and actually imagines it. > > > Rather, you should stick to non-specific examples, and more important > > facts, or perceived facts, like, other road users are much less likely > > to be injured as the result of a collision with a motorcycle, eg, car > > occupants are fairly well protected from the motorcycle and most > > pedestrian accidents involve motor vehicles other than motorcycles. > > As the motorcycle is half the width of a car, it is 50% less likely to > hit anyone. > > Theo > > ************************ > > You have a bloody wide bike Theo > You ride a Leadwing? > The typical bike is one third the width of a car > therefore it is 66% less likely to hit anyone I was taking a guess, but now you've made me look it up. The widest car I could find was the Toyota Landcruiser 200 at 1970mm. A Holden Calais is 1899mm. A hyundai Getz is 1665mm. The narrowest bike I could find easily was the Fireblade at 685mm. A CB400 is 725mm. My Norge is 870, a HD Soft-tail is 945, The Goldwing is also 945mm. You do the maths George to see if you can figure out whether my guess of 50% is closer or not than your 1/3 for anything like the average motorcycle. Theo It's my brother that has the Leadwing. Theo |