From: George W Frost on

"theo" <theodoreb(a)bigpond.com.au> wrote in message
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On Aug 4, 7:22 pm, "George W Frost" <georgewfr...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> "theo" <theodo...(a)bigpond.com.au> wrote in message
>
> news:8d661969-c95b-4e6f-9e16-6bc40d4cf4cd(a)s24g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 3, 5:33 pm, "Nev.." <id...(a)mindless.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 2/08/2010 9:56 PM, Yeebok wrote:
>
> > > On 2/08/2010 5:40 PM, George W Frost wrote:
> > >> "Yeebok"<y...(a)yeeb.yeeb> wrote in message
> > >>news:1dKdnePqSdH798vRnZ2dnUVZ_uGdnZ2d(a)westnet.com.au...
> > >>> On 24/07/2010 6:12 PM, Zebee Johnstone wrote:
> > >>>>http://www.riderripoff.com.au/
>
> > >>>> Authorised by Andrew Stoner MP...
>
> > >>>> Zebee
> > >>> I received a PDF from Carmen Donnelly today justifying the price
> > >>> hikes.
>
> > >>> "The changes in the motorcycle groupings mean that motorcycle owners
> > >>> are
> > >>> now paying a Green Slip price which better reflects the actual cost
> > >>> of
> > >>> injuries and compensation for claims against Green Slip policies
> > >>> held
> > >>> by
> > >>> riders within each of the motorcycle groups. More than 50% of
> > >>> motorcycle
> > >>> owners will pay less for their Green Slip from July 2010.
> > >>> Approximately
> > >>> one third of motorcycle owners are likely to see an increase in
> > >>> their
> > >>> Green Slip renewal price as a result of these changes, as well as
> > >>> inflation and an increase in the current number of
> > >>> claims."
>
> > >>> bwahahaha... 'sif.
>
> > >> Gobbledegook and spin doctoring at its best
>
> > > Yes, so I replied as below.. be interesting to see what comes back but
> > > I
> > > doubt it'll be any more helpful.
>
> > > -
> > > Hi
>
> > > So basically it is fair that a 2.5T Nissan Patrol is cheaper for CTP
> > > than a roughly 300Kg 750cc motorcycle, because a man hit by a Patrol
> > > would evidently get hurt less than the person hit by the bike.
>
> > The only problem with pointing out specific examples like that and
> > leaving it to the reader to imagine them is that it IS possible to
> > imagine a person being more injured after being hit by a motorcycle than
> > by a Patrol if one closes their eyes and actually imagines it.
>
> > Rather, you should stick to non-specific examples, and more important
> > facts, or perceived facts, like, other road users are much less likely
> > to be injured as the result of a collision with a motorcycle, eg, car
> > occupants are fairly well protected from the motorcycle and most
> > pedestrian accidents involve motor vehicles other than motorcycles.
>
> As the motorcycle is half the width of a car, it is 50% less likely to
> hit anyone.
>
> Theo
>
> ************************
>
> You have a bloody wide bike Theo
> You ride a Leadwing?
> The typical bike is one third the width of a car
> therefore it is 66% less likely to hit anyone

I was taking a guess, but now you've made me look it up. The widest
car I could find was the Toyota Landcruiser 200 at 1970mm. A Holden
Calais is 1899mm. A hyundai Getz is 1665mm. The narrowest bike I could
find easily was the Fireblade at 685mm. A CB400 is 725mm. My Norge
is 870, a HD Soft-tail is 945, The Goldwing is also 945mm. You do the
maths George to see if you can figure out whether my guess of 50% is
closer or not than your 1/3 for anything like the average motorcycle.

Theo
It's my brother that has the Leadwing.
Theo

***********************


Okay by your measurements Theo
but, your measurements are a little bit doubtful
a typical motorcycle is about 85 cm width,

one of my Harleys is only 500 mm wide
one Honda is 380 mm wide
the other Honda is 350 wide
the Triumph is 425 wide
another Triumph is 385 wide
the Ford Falcon is about 1800 wide, which brings my one third width as
feasible.
Now, you may be talking about the total width of the bike including
handlebars and mirrors, which admittedly, add more width to come close to
your half measurements
But, if you are adding the width of handlebars and mirrors, then also add
the extra width of the rear view mirrors of a car, which will add 400 to 500
mm to the total width.
So, your Toyota Landcruiser will now be somewhere closer to to 2470 mm,
bringing my one third width compared to a car closer


From: Yeebok on
On 5/08/2010 6:35 PM, theo wrote:
> On Aug 4, 7:22 pm, "George W Frost"<georgewfr...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> "theo"<theodo...(a)bigpond.com.au> wrote in message
>>
>> news:8d661969-c95b-4e6f-9e16-6bc40d4cf4cd(a)s24g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
>> On Aug 3, 5:33 pm, "Nev.."<id...(a)mindless.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 2/08/2010 9:56 PM, Yeebok wrote:
>>
>>>> On 2/08/2010 5:40 PM, George W Frost wrote:
>>>>> "Yeebok"<y...(a)yeeb.yeeb> wrote in message
>>>>> news:1dKdnePqSdH798vRnZ2dnUVZ_uGdnZ2d(a)westnet.com.au...
>>>>>> On 24/07/2010 6:12 PM, Zebee Johnstone wrote:
>>>>>>> http://www.riderripoff.com.au/
>>
>>>>>>> Authorised by Andrew Stoner MP...
>>
>>>>>>> Zebee
>>>>>> I received a PDF from Carmen Donnelly today justifying the price
>>>>>> hikes.
>>
>>>>>> "The changes in the motorcycle groupings mean that motorcycle owners
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> now paying a Green Slip price which better reflects the actual cost of
>>>>>> injuries and compensation for claims against Green Slip policies held
>>>>>> by
>>>>>> riders within each of the motorcycle groups. More than 50% of
>>>>>> motorcycle
>>>>>> owners will pay less for their Green Slip from July 2010.
>>>>>> Approximately
>>>>>> one third of motorcycle owners are likely to see an increase in their
>>>>>> Green Slip renewal price as a result of these changes, as well as
>>>>>> inflation and an increase in the current number of
>>>>>> claims."
>>
>>>>>> bwahahaha... 'sif.
>>
>>>>> Gobbledegook and spin doctoring at its best
>>
>>>> Yes, so I replied as below.. be interesting to see what comes back but I
>>>> doubt it'll be any more helpful.
>>
>>>> -
>>>> Hi
>>
>>>> So basically it is fair that a 2.5T Nissan Patrol is cheaper for CTP
>>>> than a roughly 300Kg 750cc motorcycle, because a man hit by a Patrol
>>>> would evidently get hurt less than the person hit by the bike.
>>
>>> The only problem with pointing out specific examples like that and
>>> leaving it to the reader to imagine them is that it IS possible to
>>> imagine a person being more injured after being hit by a motorcycle than
>>> by a Patrol if one closes their eyes and actually imagines it.
>>
>>> Rather, you should stick to non-specific examples, and more important
>>> facts, or perceived facts, like, other road users are much less likely
>>> to be injured as the result of a collision with a motorcycle, eg, car
>>> occupants are fairly well protected from the motorcycle and most
>>> pedestrian accidents involve motor vehicles other than motorcycles.
>>
>> As the motorcycle is half the width of a car, it is 50% less likely to
>> hit anyone.
>>
>> Theo
>>
>> ************************
>>
>> You have a bloody wide bike Theo
>> You ride a Leadwing?
>> The typical bike is one third the width of a car
>> therefore it is 66% less likely to hit anyone
>
> I was taking a guess, but now you've made me look it up. The widest
> car I could find was the Toyota Landcruiser 200 at 1970mm. A Holden
> Calais is 1899mm. A hyundai Getz is 1665mm. The narrowest bike I could
> find easily was the Fireblade at 685mm. A CB400 is 725mm. My Norge
> is 870, a HD Soft-tail is 945, The Goldwing is also 945mm. You do the
> maths George to see if you can figure out whether my guess of 50% is
> closer or not than your 1/3 for anything like the average motorcycle.
>
> Theo
> It's my brother that has the Leadwing.
> Theo
I would by default measure the "width" of a bike as handlebar end to
handlebar end, unless another part stuck out more.
Visually, from right in front with the wheel straight, my bike's mirrors
are not the widest part, the bars are. (I assume my brain's over
compensating for the lean from being on the stand(

However on measuring the distance from outer corner on the mirrors is
820mm, bars is 730, and indicators is 470.

What part is being measured on those, Theo ?
From: Marts on
Nev.. wrote...

> Yeah, that's a "bi-directional meter". As I understand it, they are
> completely different to the "smart meter" rollout to which Marts was
> referring. The "smart meter" is a single meter which will allow the
> retailer to bill you a different tariff at different times of the day.

I thought that these smart meters also measured imported and exported power.
Hence my comments about them.

If you're correct then people who have installed solar panels may need to look
at this if you suggest that they could be charged for exporting back to the
grid, or even just reducing their "in house load".

From: Marts on
George W Frost wrote...

> I supply electricity back to the grid, so the electricity company should
> deduct the charges from my supplying their grid

Or, you could be charged for a generating licence, as the main generators are...

Me, I'd be happy just to get the meter to slow down or to stop spinning. But
given that the size of the panels that I'd require to cover my current usage
levels, I'd be dead before I saw a nett benefit from it.

I'll be content with a 12% staff discount and that I pay for my power pre-tax.


From: George W Frost on

"Marts" <marts(a)ymail.com> wrote in message
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> George W Frost wrote...
>
>> I supply electricity back to the grid, so the electricity company should
>> deduct the charges from my supplying their grid
>
> Or, you could be charged for a generating licence, as the main generators
> are...
>
> Me, I'd be happy just to get the meter to slow down or to stop spinning.
> But
> given that the size of the panels that I'd require to cover my current
> usage
> levels, I'd be dead before I saw a nett benefit from it.
>
> I'll be content with a 12% staff discount and that I pay for my power
> pre-tax.
>
>

The new meter is digital and doesn't spin either way


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