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From: CrazyCam on 29 Jul 2010 18:31 Moike wrote: <snip> > I think the 'moratorium' was on the general roll out to all customers. > It was getting too far behind because of the demand from people > installing solar panels. We had to wait three months for ours, but we > were part of the last flurry of people who snuck into the full rebate. > It should be better by now. As I understand it, and I may very well be wrong, in NSW they have a magic number of Megawatts as a target output total for the home solar power generation deal, and, once that target number is reached the deal stops. regards, CrazyCam
From: Nev.. on 30 Jul 2010 03:48 On 30/07/2010 7:34 AM, Moike wrote: > Marts wrote: >> CrazyCam wrote... >> >>> When nothing much electrical is running in the house, and the new >>> solar panels can see the sun, the disc turns slowly backwards. :-) >>> >>> We are just waiting on the new, meter to measure input to grid. >> >> And if we (Victoria) don't get the gross tariff thingy that NSW has, >> then the >> standard meter (it's called an induction disc relay) will suffice. >> >> All the meter reader has to do is read the meter. Whatever your solar >> "system" >> generates will reduce total usage. Of course, if it runs backwards, >> then your >> last meter reading will be subtracted from the new one, thus probably >> giving you >> a negative figure if it runs backwards longer than it runs forwards. >> This means that you will get a credit for the kw that you export based >> on your >> current GD tariff. >> >> But then, when the smartmeters are introduced, god knows, you may have a >> recycled 200MW generator salvaged from Hazelwood tacked onto it, and >> you'd still >> have to pay... >> > Not quite so. > > The smart meter keeps separate tallies for electrickery sucked out of > the grid and that pumped back in. The latter is credited at about three > timed the rate of the former. So during the day, when most stuff in our > house is turned off, we are totting up credits at a little over 60c/kwh. > Later on, when the flow goes the other way, we pay a tad over 20c (at > peak rates). Anything we generate and use directly is just 'free'. Not quite so. "Smart meters" are only "smart" in the sense that they can do time of use billing and not the direction of flow of the current. In fact, I have read that standard "smart" meters can only count forwards, and not backwards, so they will actually bill you for any electricity you generate back into the grid in addition to anything to take off of the grid.. in such situations they are not so "smart". Nev.. '08 DL1000K8
From: Nev.. on 30 Jul 2010 04:09 On 30/07/2010 6:58 AM, Marts wrote: > CrazyCam wrote... > >> When nothing much electrical is running in the house, and the new solar >> panels can see the sun, the disc turns slowly backwards. :-) >> >> We are just waiting on the new, meter to measure input to grid. > > And if we (Victoria) don't get the gross tariff thingy that NSW has, then the > standard meter (it's called an induction disc relay) will suffice. Not so. The system in Victoria (and every other state I think) is Net metering. This means you will benefit from surplus electricity generated at the premium rate. At this time of year, my house only consumes about 1Kw of standby electricity during daylight hours, which means that the difference between Gross tariff and Net tariff is only 60c per day, presuming the same Premium rate is paid. In fact, depending on your usage, the Gross Tariffs can actually be less lucrative than the Net system. eg ACT has Gross tariffs but only pays 50c/kWhr whereas Vic has Net tariffs but most retailers will pay 66c/kWhr. So due to my usage I calculate I will actually receive 20% more from my Victorian retailer than I would if I was on the Gross ACT PFiT scheme. > All the meter reader has to do is read the meter. Whatever your solar "system" > generates will reduce total usage. Of course, if it runs backwards, then your > last meter reading will be subtracted from the new one, thus probably giving you > a negative figure if it runs backwards longer than it runs forwards. > > This means that you will get a credit for the kw that you export based on your > current GD tariff. Actually, under the terms of your agreement with your electricity retailer, there is no mechanism for you to gain any credit to be offset against supply charges or future electricity consumed. If your meter reading is less than the previous reading, you won't receive any compensation for the electricity you have returned to the grid in excess of the amount you used, and you will have to pay the full distribution cost, which may be a significant proportion of your bill. > But then, when the smartmeters are introduced, god knows, you may have a > recycled 200MW generator salvaged from Hazelwood tacked onto it, and you'd still > have to pay... Smart meters are not used with domestic Solar PV systems. Nev.. '08 DL1000K8
From: Nev.. on 30 Jul 2010 04:13 On 30/07/2010 6:58 AM, Marts wrote: > Nev.. wrote... > >>> Don't they have a government authority in NSW that oversees such charges? We >>> have an Essential Services Commission here in Victoria that regulates energy >>> prices. >>> >>> Oh wait, that's not a good example... >> >> Heh. I paid my last electricity bill this week. Sometime in the next >> few weeks I get a bi-directional meter installed. > > Lucky you. > > Anyway, what happened to the "moratorium" on smart meters (presuming that this > bi-directional meter is a smart meter) until after Labor hopes that it will be > back in power? (no pun intended). AFAIK The moratorium is only on Time of Use metering with smart meters and does not affect bidirectional meters used with small system electricity generation. ToU metering is definitely in my favour. > How much is this meter going to cost you? Nothing, The property owner owns the meter box and the distribution company owns the meter. There is a charge for installing it, however. Nev.. '08 DL1000K8
From: Nev.. on 30 Jul 2010 04:17
On 30/07/2010 8:31 AM, CrazyCam wrote: > Moike wrote: > > <snip> > >> I think the 'moratorium' was on the general roll out to all customers. >> It was getting too far behind because of the demand from people >> installing solar panels. We had to wait three months for ours, but we >> were part of the last flurry of people who snuck into the full rebate. >> It should be better by now. > > As I understand it, and I may very well be wrong, in NSW they have a > magic number of Megawatts as a target output total for the home solar > power generation deal, and, once that target number is reached the deal > stops. Same applies in Victoria. The cap is determined by the capacity of generation, not the actual amount generated. The scheme can also be closed to new applications at any time by the minister in charge if the cost of the scheme increases above $10/household (given that it is funded by electricity customers, not by the government). Nev.. '08 DL1000K8 |