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From: Moike on 30 Jul 2010 18:50 Nev.. wrote: > On 30/07/2010 8:56 PM, Moike wrote: >> Nev.. wrote: >>> On 30/07/2010 7:34 AM, Moike wrote: >>>> Marts wrote: >>>>> CrazyCam wrote... >>>>> >>>>>> When nothing much electrical is running in the house, and the new >>>>>> solar panels can see the sun, the disc turns slowly backwards. :-) >>>>>> >>>>>> We are just waiting on the new, meter to measure input to grid. >>>>> >>>>> And if we (Victoria) don't get the gross tariff thingy that NSW has, >>>>> then the >>>>> standard meter (it's called an induction disc relay) will suffice. >>>>> >>>>> All the meter reader has to do is read the meter. Whatever your solar >>>>> "system" >>>>> generates will reduce total usage. Of course, if it runs backwards, >>>>> then your >>>>> last meter reading will be subtracted from the new one, thus probably >>>>> giving you >>>>> a negative figure if it runs backwards longer than it runs forwards. >>>>> This means that you will get a credit for the kw that you export based >>>>> on your >>>>> current GD tariff. >>>>> >>>>> But then, when the smartmeters are introduced, god knows, you may >>>>> have a >>>>> recycled 200MW generator salvaged from Hazelwood tacked onto it, and >>>>> you'd still >>>>> have to pay... >>>>> >>>> Not quite so. >>>> >>>> The smart meter keeps separate tallies for electrickery sucked out of >>>> the grid and that pumped back in. The latter is credited at about three >>>> timed the rate of the former. So during the day, when most stuff in our >>>> house is turned off, we are totting up credits at a little over >>>> 60c/kwh. >>>> Later on, when the flow goes the other way, we pay a tad over 20c (at >>>> peak rates). Anything we generate and use directly is just 'free'. >>> >>> Not quite so. "Smart meters" are only "smart" in the sense that they >>> can do time of use billing and not the direction of flow of the >>> current. In fact, I have read that standard "smart" meters can only >>> count forwards, and not backwards, so they will actually bill you for >>> any electricity you generate back into the grid in addition to >>> anything to take off of the grid.. in such situations they are not so >>> "smart". >>> >>> Nev.. >>> '08 DL1000K8 >> Who told you that? >> >> If you'd like to pop round and look at mine, it has a neat display that >> cycles through a number of readings, including peak kwh imported, >> Off-peak kwh imported and kwh exported. >> >> It detects and records the direction of any flow. >> >> What it misses is any electricity that we generate and consume, so that >> if the panels are generating 1 kw, and we are using 3kw in the house, >> the meter shows 2kw being imported. If we were only using .4 kw, the >> meter would record .6 kw being exported. > > Yeah, that's a "bi-directional meter". As I understand it, they are > completely different to the "smart meter" rollout to which Marts was > referring. The "smart meter" is a single meter which will allow the > retailer to bill you a different tariff at different times of the day. > > Nev.. > '08 DL1000K8 According to the guy who installed it, mine also has time-based tariffs. Maybe he doesn't know, but he spent a while explaining to me the benefits of doing washing etc after hours or on the weekend. Moike
From: George W Frost on 30 Jul 2010 19:50 "Moike" <bmwmoike(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:4c53573d$0$3036$afc38c87(a)news.optusnet.com.au... > Nev.. wrote: >> On 30/07/2010 8:56 PM, Moike wrote: >>> Nev.. wrote: >>>> On 30/07/2010 7:34 AM, Moike wrote: >>>>> Marts wrote: >>>>>> CrazyCam wrote... >>>>>> >>>>>>> When nothing much electrical is running in the house, and the new >>>>>>> solar panels can see the sun, the disc turns slowly backwards. :-) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We are just waiting on the new, meter to measure input to grid. >>>>>> >>>>>> And if we (Victoria) don't get the gross tariff thingy that NSW has, >>>>>> then the >>>>>> standard meter (it's called an induction disc relay) will suffice. >>>>>> >>>>>> All the meter reader has to do is read the meter. Whatever your solar >>>>>> "system" >>>>>> generates will reduce total usage. Of course, if it runs backwards, >>>>>> then your >>>>>> last meter reading will be subtracted from the new one, thus probably >>>>>> giving you >>>>>> a negative figure if it runs backwards longer than it runs forwards. >>>>>> This means that you will get a credit for the kw that you export >>>>>> based >>>>>> on your >>>>>> current GD tariff. >>>>>> >>>>>> But then, when the smartmeters are introduced, god knows, you may >>>>>> have a >>>>>> recycled 200MW generator salvaged from Hazelwood tacked onto it, and >>>>>> you'd still >>>>>> have to pay... >>>>>> >>>>> Not quite so. >>>>> >>>>> The smart meter keeps separate tallies for electrickery sucked out of >>>>> the grid and that pumped back in. The latter is credited at about >>>>> three >>>>> timed the rate of the former. So during the day, when most stuff in >>>>> our >>>>> house is turned off, we are totting up credits at a little over >>>>> 60c/kwh. >>>>> Later on, when the flow goes the other way, we pay a tad over 20c (at >>>>> peak rates). Anything we generate and use directly is just 'free'. >>>> >>>> Not quite so. "Smart meters" are only "smart" in the sense that they >>>> can do time of use billing and not the direction of flow of the >>>> current. In fact, I have read that standard "smart" meters can only >>>> count forwards, and not backwards, so they will actually bill you for >>>> any electricity you generate back into the grid in addition to >>>> anything to take off of the grid.. in such situations they are not so >>>> "smart". >>>> >>>> Nev.. >>>> '08 DL1000K8 >>> Who told you that? >>> >>> If you'd like to pop round and look at mine, it has a neat display that >>> cycles through a number of readings, including peak kwh imported, >>> Off-peak kwh imported and kwh exported. >>> >>> It detects and records the direction of any flow. >>> >>> What it misses is any electricity that we generate and consume, so that >>> if the panels are generating 1 kw, and we are using 3kw in the house, >>> the meter shows 2kw being imported. If we were only using .4 kw, the >>> meter would record .6 kw being exported. >> >> Yeah, that's a "bi-directional meter". As I understand it, they are >> completely different to the "smart meter" rollout to which Marts was >> referring. The "smart meter" is a single meter which will allow the >> retailer to bill you a different tariff at different times of the day. >> >> Nev.. >> '08 DL1000K8 > According to the guy who installed it, mine also has time-based tariffs. > Maybe he doesn't know, but he spent a while explaining to me the benefits > of doing washing etc after hours or on the weekend. > > Moike Then I must have a bi-directional meter as even though it shows that I have produced 1300 kilowatts of power from the panels, I have only exported 417 kilowatts to the grid
From: Nev.. on 31 Jul 2010 00:53 On 31/07/2010 8:50 AM, Moike wrote: > Nev.. wrote: >> On 30/07/2010 8:56 PM, Moike wrote: >>> Nev.. wrote: >>>> On 30/07/2010 7:34 AM, Moike wrote: >>>>> Marts wrote: >>>>>> CrazyCam wrote... >>>>>> >>>>>>> When nothing much electrical is running in the house, and the new >>>>>>> solar panels can see the sun, the disc turns slowly backwards. :-) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We are just waiting on the new, meter to measure input to grid. >>>>>> >>>>>> And if we (Victoria) don't get the gross tariff thingy that NSW has, >>>>>> then the >>>>>> standard meter (it's called an induction disc relay) will suffice. >>>>>> >>>>>> All the meter reader has to do is read the meter. Whatever your solar >>>>>> "system" >>>>>> generates will reduce total usage. Of course, if it runs backwards, >>>>>> then your >>>>>> last meter reading will be subtracted from the new one, thus probably >>>>>> giving you >>>>>> a negative figure if it runs backwards longer than it runs forwards. >>>>>> This means that you will get a credit for the kw that you export >>>>>> based >>>>>> on your >>>>>> current GD tariff. >>>>>> >>>>>> But then, when the smartmeters are introduced, god knows, you may >>>>>> have a >>>>>> recycled 200MW generator salvaged from Hazelwood tacked onto it, and >>>>>> you'd still >>>>>> have to pay... >>>>>> >>>>> Not quite so. >>>>> >>>>> The smart meter keeps separate tallies for electrickery sucked out of >>>>> the grid and that pumped back in. The latter is credited at about >>>>> three >>>>> timed the rate of the former. So during the day, when most stuff in >>>>> our >>>>> house is turned off, we are totting up credits at a little over >>>>> 60c/kwh. >>>>> Later on, when the flow goes the other way, we pay a tad over 20c (at >>>>> peak rates). Anything we generate and use directly is just 'free'. >>>> >>>> Not quite so. "Smart meters" are only "smart" in the sense that they >>>> can do time of use billing and not the direction of flow of the >>>> current. In fact, I have read that standard "smart" meters can only >>>> count forwards, and not backwards, so they will actually bill you for >>>> any electricity you generate back into the grid in addition to >>>> anything to take off of the grid.. in such situations they are not so >>>> "smart". >>>> >>>> Nev.. >>>> '08 DL1000K8 >>> Who told you that? >>> >>> If you'd like to pop round and look at mine, it has a neat display that >>> cycles through a number of readings, including peak kwh imported, >>> Off-peak kwh imported and kwh exported. >>> >>> It detects and records the direction of any flow. >>> >>> What it misses is any electricity that we generate and consume, so that >>> if the panels are generating 1 kw, and we are using 3kw in the house, >>> the meter shows 2kw being imported. If we were only using .4 kw, the >>> meter would record .6 kw being exported. >> >> Yeah, that's a "bi-directional meter". As I understand it, they are >> completely different to the "smart meter" rollout to which Marts was >> referring. The "smart meter" is a single meter which will allow the >> retailer to bill you a different tariff at different times of the day. >> >> Nev.. >> '08 DL1000K8 > According to the guy who installed it, mine also has time-based tariffs. > Maybe he doesn't know, but he spent a while explaining to me the > benefits of doing washing etc after hours or on the weekend. Yes, it does, but as I was saying, the "Smart meter" rollouot to which marts was referring is a completely different thing and these are not the same meters that you use for bidirectional billing. Confusing isn't it. Nev.. '08 DL1000K8
From: Lars Chance on 31 Jul 2010 05:23 JustBiggus wrote: >> And if we can't believe our politicians, why do we vote for them, > Who votes anymore?? > There was a fair turnout in Bennelong in '07. -- Elsie.
From: theo on 31 Jul 2010 05:39
On Jul 30, 4:58 am, Marts <ma...(a)ymail.com> wrote: > Moike wrote... > > I suspect it has more to do with the ineptitude of my electrickery > > "supplier" in getting their act together than the sheer power of My 1KW > > solar system. > > You've gotta solar system? How many planets does it have? You misspelled panels, and I have six. I used to know how many plnaets the solar system has, but now I'm not sure. Theo |