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From: doetnietcomputeren on 18 Jun 2010 13:37
On 2010-06-18 17:40:39 +0200, "Cab" <me(a)privacy.net> said:

> The next thing I
> knew, was the copper saying words to the effect "Oh sod it, forget it
> this time, just don't do it again".
>
> Result!

You double jammy fucker.

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From: zymurgy on 18 Jun 2010 16:02
On Jun 18, 4:40 pm, "Cab" <m...(a)privacy.net> wrote:
> - LONG

Well, it's not Pip or SD-esque.

Didn't even run to two pages ..

> The next thing I knew, was the copper saying words to the effect "Oh sod it, forget it
> this time, just don't do it again".

Heh. Nice you jammy sod.

Didn't you break into pidgin French and English for the occasion ?

Paul.
From: Ofnuts on 18 Jun 2010 16:51
On 18/06/2010 17:40, Cab wrote:
> On the road going to work today, I was coming down a long sweeping
> curve which bent to the right (see photos below).
>
> http://www.rosbif.org/otherphotos/index.php?gallery=nicked&lang=en
>
> I was probably in the same position as the distant scooter in this
> photo, quite closely following another bike.
>
> http://www.rosbif.org/otherphotos/index.php?gallery=nicked&image=03.jpg&
> lang=en
>
> At the end of the curve, I noticed a copper signalling for the bike in
> front of me and for me to pull in. I thought it was a "control" and
> asked him what the score was. He told me that I'd riden over the
> chevrons [0] (the "zebra" in French). In the photos, you can't even see
> the chevrons, just the end of the chevronned (sp?) area.
>
> Well looking at where he was and where the chevrons were, I thought he
> was talking bollocks hence the fact I took photos (I doubt he could
> have even seen me properly as the other bike would have obstructed his
> view somewhat). Anyway, in France, there's no point in disagreeing with
> coppers as their word is God. I may have been on the chevrons, I may
> not, I don't know. I do know that I wasn't riding dangerously (or even
> fast for that matter).

Yes, no point arguing on the spot. But with good evidence (and lawyer)
you can argue later.

>
> I thought, okay, time to contest this with the aid of a lawyer (I'm
> quite fond of my UK licence).
>
> Once the copper had given the other biker his fine and points
> deduction, it was my turn. I went to the van and started giving my
> details.
>
> First off, the copper told me that I needed to change my licence for a
> French one. I explained that this was no longer needed and indeed, the
> prefectures no longer change EU licences for French ones (I didn't add
> unless the licence needs to be changed for points purposes). His
> colleague seemed to agree with me. The difference between being stopped
> by a bike copper and a van copper, is that the van copper has more
> space for folders containing snippets of the law. He pointed me to a
> section of this:
>
> http://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/affichCodeArticle.do?cidTexte=LEGITEXT0000
> 06074228&idArticle=LEGIARTI000006841396&dateTexte=20100618
>
> Which basically translates to this:
>
> ----
> Any person having his normal residence in France holding a driver's
> licence issued by a member state of the European Community or another
> state in the EEA, valid in this state _may_ [1], without being required
> to undergo examinations under the first paragraph of Article R. 221-3
> [2], exchange the licence against a French driving license as defined
> by order of the Minister for Transport, following the advice of the
> Minister of Justice, the Interior Minister and the Minister for Foreign
> Affairs.

This is the "voluntary" part.

> The exchange of such a licence against a French licence is required
> when the licensee has committed on French territory, a violation of the
> code have resulted in a restriction, suspension of revocation of
> driving or deduction of points. This exchange must be conducted as
> defined by the law mentioned in the preceding paragraph, for purposes
> of applying the above measures. [3]
>
> The failure to exchange of the licence in the case described in the
> preceding paragraph shall be punishable by a fine for violations of the
> fourth class.

So our legislators are stupid (what's new?). To avoid fine+points you
just have to pay the fine. Given this kind if logic, no wonder the
software developers have trouble making working code:-)

> ----
>
> I agreed to check with the prefecture to see what the score is. Well,
> after having read the _full_ description of the relevant law, I won't
> bother.
>
> Anyway, he continued to enter my details in his ruggedised tablet PC
> and asked me where my driving licence number was. I duly pointed it out
> and let him carry on. The next thing I know is that he was asking his
> colleague, "the number's too long to fit in the field. What should I
> do?" I thought about saying "Well do you have a 'comments' field on the
> page?" then common sense hit me and I kept schtum. The next thing I
> knew, was the copper saying words to the effect "Oh sod it, forget it
> this time, just don't do it again".
>
> Result!
>
> [0] It's quite a common past time in Paris and the suburbs, riding on
> chevrons or the hard shoulder.

You are the first one I see nicked for riding on chevrons, but being
caught on the BAU is more common (I tend to avoid riding there because
it's full of debris)

> [1] "may" is a nice word. It doesn't imply any obligation. This was the
> para I saw in his folder.
> [2] Driving test.
> [3] Amazingly enough, this para was _missing_ from his snippet!

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From: darsy on 19 Jun 2010 03:43
On Fri, 18 Jun 2010 16:40:39 +0100, "Cab" <me(a)privacy.net> wrote:

>past time

I know LTSTPRU, but this one winds me up for some reason.
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d.
From: Jeremy on 19 Jun 2010 03:54
In article <g7to16hql1cvvjejnbm82dil86011hfhq8(a)4ax.com>,
darsy(a)sticky.co.uk says...
>
> On Fri, 18 Jun 2010 16:40:39 +0100, "Cab" <me(a)privacy.net> wrote:
>
> >past time
>
> I know LTSTPRU, but this one winds me up for some reason.

errrmm...

'I was once in a violently-light-blue Mini doing just over an indicated
90mph[1] in a 30 zone, with me as the "instructing driver" with my
not-past-his-test mate driving, both of us'



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jeremy
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