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From: BrianNZ on 4 Nov 2009 18:14 Shantideva Spirit wrote: > On Nov 4, 11:47 am, BrianNZ <br...(a)itnz.co.nz> wrote: > >> What an absolute cop out! Learn to drink responsibly. > > Apparently the limited being from the far side of the planet doesn't > understand what "copping out" means in this situation where I > attempted to explain to an argumentive Slimey why so many Americans > drink and drive and drive and drink. > > A "cop out" is an excuse designed to shirk responsibility. > > However, I don't drink and drive, and I'm not making excuses for those > who do drink and drive. > > And, to any reasonable person, I'm not responsible for drunk drivers, > I cannot stop total strangers from drinking and driving or drinking > while driving. > > I'm just telling it like it is, and around here, DUI is a serious > problem, especially among the "hard workers" who will go on a "toot" > and kill some innocent person. > > Then they tearfully tell the judge at their sentencing that they > didn't mean to hurt anybody and they apologize to everybody who will > listen. > > > Nice snip to get my words out of context. Shantideva Spirit wrote: "Yes, Americans definitely do get drunk and drive and it would be much better if there was more public transportation to get the drunks off the road." The cop out I refer to is the way you are using a lack of public transportation as an excuse for drunks to be driving, rather than the drinkers learning some self control.
From: MikeWhy on 4 Nov 2009 18:31 "BrianNZ" <brian(a)itnz.co.nz> wrote in message news:4af20b2c$1(a)news.orcon.net.nz... > MikeWhy wrote: >> "BrianNZ" <brian(a)itnz.co.nz> wrote in message >> news:4af1f45c$1(a)news.orcon.net.nz... >>> >>> I drink and drive all the time.....I don't drive drunk. >> >> Not till you get caught at it anyway. As he said, Pot/Kettle. >> >> > > > To stay under the limit is as simple as moderating my intake. They set the > limit, I'll stay under it. It is not illegal to drink and drive. > > I'm not the one using lack of public transport to blame for drunks on the > road, so the pot/kettle thing doesn't fit? Some leave the bar staggering drunk and don't have enough thought capacity left to consider what they're doing. Others know they're drunk, but take comfort in not having been caught before, or hope to get home without drawing attention to themselves. Still others, probably the majority, believe themselves to be below the limit or at least demonstrably unimpaired. That's who I meant when I wrote pot/kettle. I don't care about public transportation or excuses. Alcohol impairs judgement. Ergo, the impaired isn't qualified to judge his own fitness. FWIW.
From: Vito on 4 Nov 2009 18:33 "BrianNZ" <brian(a)itnz.co.nz> wrote | The numbers are irrelevant....it's the attitude that counts? It was the | way he was trying to blame a lack of public transport for drunks on the | road. It is completely the drunks fault if he/she gets behind the wheel | and causes a crash. If your drinking is so out of control that you can't | have just a couple (and stay under the limit)...as in you need to keep | drinking past that point.....then they need professional help to get | themselves under control, rather than find external things to blame | their problem on. Some urban neighborhoods have enough bars that the drinkers can walk to and from them avoiding driving drunk. Yes, it is the drunks fault but most drunks are in denial. "I don't drink. My friends do! I just have a few beers. And "I never drive drunk. ..... | I drink and drive all the time.....I don't drive drunk." Personally, I never drink and drive at all. It's a difficult problem. If you fine the drunk his wife and kids have less. If you put him in jail he cannot support them. I lean toward caning and flogging but that's 'cruel and unusual' in this country.
From: Vito on 4 Nov 2009 18:36 "Shantideva Spirit" <macmiled(a)gmail.com> wrote [ So "pot or kettle" questions are really just timewasters. They are not questions.
From: Rob Kleinschmidt on 4 Nov 2009 19:01
On Nov 4, 3:33 pm, "Vito" <v...(a)cfl.rr.com> wrote: > Some urban neighborhoods have enough bars that the drinkers can walk to and > from them avoiding driving drunk. Maybe the real problem is that we don't have enough neighborhood bars ? Possibly a stimulus program to build more ? |