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From: G-S on 31 Jan 2008 15:53
Peter Cremasco wrote:
> Tim Moran wrote:
>> In article <47a182ca$0$22095$afc38c87(a)news.optusnet.com.au>,
>> jt(a)techniciansyndrome.org.invalid says...
>>> "bicycle" means a vehicle with 1 or more wheels that is built to be
>>> propelled by human power through a belt, chain or gears (whether or
>>> not it has an auxiliary motor), and:
>>>
>> So a shaft drive bicycle isn't really a bicycle then.
>
> Shaft would qualify as being driven by gears.

Not all push bike shaft drive bikes have motorcycle style shaft drives
with a centre hub gear system.. some have dual shafts from the crank
directly to the sides of the rear hub.


G-S
From: Toosmoky on 31 Jan 2008 16:35
Matt Palmer wrote:

> Tim Moran is of the opinion:
>> In article <47a182ca$0$22095$afc38c87(a)news.optusnet.com.au>,
>> jt(a)techniciansyndrome.org.invalid says...
>>> "bicycle" means a vehicle with 1 or more wheels that is built to be propelled
>>> by human power through a belt, chain or gears (whether or not it has an
>>> auxiliary motor), and:
>>>
>> So a shaft drive bicycle isn't really a bicycle then.
>
> No, because you can't wheelie it.

What about countersteering?

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From: John Tserkezis on 31 Jan 2008 18:30
Theo Bekkers wrote:

> In WA unicycles are classed as toys, with skateboards and such, and are not
> allowed on roads.

I was in Perth for a couple of weeks, a few months ago, and since I was
going to get some riding in, I thought I'd read up on their road rules.

Two that come to mind:

Reflectors are required by law to be installed in several locations around
the bike, including spokes. Now really, that increases your dorkiness factor
by 16 points alone.
On that note, reflectors are required by law to be fit to both sides of your
pedals. Since many/most cleats are small and as such do not have provision
for reflectors, this effectively outlaws most of them.
This was especially important to me, since I ONLY ever ride on cleats.

Another was the height of the handlebars cannot be some centimetres above
the seat. Effecively outlawing 'Dragster' style bikes.




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From: Theo Bekkers on 31 Jan 2008 23:08
John Tserkezis wrote:
> Theo Bekkers wrote:
>
>> In WA unicycles are classed as toys, with skateboards and such, and
>> are not allowed on roads.
>
> I was in Perth for a couple of weeks, a few months ago, and since I
> was going to get some riding in, I thought I'd read up on their road
> rules.
> Two that come to mind:
>
> Reflectors are required by law to be installed in several locations
> around the bike, including spokes. Now really, that increases your
> dorkiness factor by 16 points alone.
> On that note, reflectors are required by law to be fit to both sides
> of your pedals. Since many/most cleats are small and as such do not
> have provision for reflectors, this effectively outlaws most of them.
> This was especially important to me, since I ONLY ever ride on
> cleats.

> Another was the height of the handlebars cannot be some centimetres
> above the seat. Effecively outlawing 'Dragster' style bikes.

I think you'll find those laws are pretty much standard around Oz, and
pretty much ignored.
It does, however, allow me an easy comback from those that claim that only
motorists break the law, and all cyclists are good lawabiding citizens. :-)

Theo


From: CrazyCam on 1 Feb 2008 01:20
John Tserkezis wrote:
> CrazyCam wrote:
>
>> It may well be bundled in with bikes in the minds of the cops, but I'd
>> bet thruppence that the folk writing the rules didn't even think of
>> unicycles, and, consequently, it isn't.
>
> Ah, but it is.
> In the Australian Road Rules, in part, under "dictionary" (where the
> definitions are) Page 393:
> <http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/rulesregulations/downloads/pts1-21.pdf>
>
> <quote>
> "bicycle" means a vehicle with 1 or more wheels that is built to be
> propelled by human power through a belt, chain or gears (whether or not
> it has an auxiliary motor), and:
>
> (a) includes a pedicab, penny-farthing, scooter, tricycle and unicycle;
> but
>
> (b) does not include a wheelchair, wheeled recreational device, wheeled
> toy, or any vehicle with an auxiliary motor capable of generating a
> power output over 200 watts (whether or not the motor is operating).
> </quote>
>
>> The folk that write rules ain't exactly smart, otherwise they'd have
>> real jobs. ;-)
>
> Well, yes, but that's an entirely different story. :-)


OK, I owe you thruppence. <sigh>

regards,
CrazyCam
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