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From: 'Hog on 21 Dec 2009 12:57 doetnietcomputeren wrote: > On 2009-12-21 18:26:45 +0100, steve auvache <dont_spam(a)thecow.me.uk> > said: >>> It's not a deterrent. >> >> The entire history of mankind demonstrates that punishment, be it >> capital, corporal or any other kind, appears not to be a deterrent >> for some. The solution, if ever there is to be one, seems to lie in >> preventing "crime" in the first place. > > <Auvache in rare lucid moment shocker> are we back to selective sterilization then? cool. When can we discuss Eugenics. -- 'Hog
From: doetnietcomputeren on 21 Dec 2009 12:57 On 2009-12-21 18:41:07 +0100, "'Hog" <sm911SPAM(a)hotmailCHIPS.co.uk> said: >> I'm not opposed to it, the fact is quite simple - countries where the >> police are armed do not have significantly less crime and not do those >> with capital punishment. > > What has arming Plod got to do with it? It's the same tired argument, that arming the regular UK plod would deter crime. It wouldn't. > And I'm not convinced that all Pro countries fail to reduce the crime rate. So go find the data. > USA probably yes but it is quite a special case in many respects. that doesn't make it untrue. >>> # victims/relatives often appreciate the execution >> >> "often"? You've spoken to many victims/relatives who have appreciated >> the perpetrator being executed, have you? > > In this I'm relying on the public proclamations mostly from the USA I'm > happy to admit So you haven't and you're relying on the words of a few people you've seen on the TV. -- Dnc
From: doetnietcomputeren on 21 Dec 2009 13:01 On 2009-12-21 18:42:27 +0100, "'Hog" <sm911SPAM(a)hotmailCHIPS.co.uk> said: >>> Having been acquainted with a young chap, who is currently facing >>> death row, >> >> ... for murder (a business man), second degree robbery (of the >> business man) and two counts of attempted murder (the policemen he >> shot at while escaping), at the ripe old age of 21 (or maybe just >> about 22) - in California where; the cops have and use their guns, >> the maximum state prison is somewhat infamous and the death penalty >> is an available punishment - I wonder why you think that only people >> who are opposed to capital punishment point out that it's not a >> deterrent. >> It's not a deterrent. > > It didn't deter *him* Or many hundreds of thousands of others. Perhaps even millions. > It DOES deter some people. Only the weak. > And I suspect the HOW of the sentence also has a lot to do with the > deterrent effect. The prospect of ending up in Fulsom, would be enough to keep me from getting caught doing anything that would warrant me going there. For those that are prepared to go there, or to death row, I doubt that stoning, hanging drawing and quartering or being fed bleeding feet first to pirhanas is going to make much difference. Certainly being faced by an angry mob of a dozen of you wouldn't worry them in the slightest. -- Dnc
From: Pip Luscher on 21 Dec 2009 13:14 On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 16:01:50 +0100, "Leszek Karlik" <leslie(a)hell.pl> wrote: >On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 15:52:35 +0100, Champ <news(a)champ.org.uk> wrote: > >[...] >> So, do you *genuinely* believe that public executions are the way you >> would deal with the issue of low level youth crime? > >This idea is indeed complete rubbish. The proper way to deal with >the issue of low level youth crime is of course mass deportations >to Australia. <fx: puts head in hands> Whatever happened to 'cutting their goolies off'? -- -Pip
From: DR on 21 Dec 2009 13:27
'Hog posted: >Champ wrote: >> you appear to be genuinely proposing capital punishment for 3 crimes >> against property. >> >> You're either a troll or deeply unpleasant. > >I'm suggesting liquidating those who systematically disrupt and try to >destroy the lives of those around them. Over and over. Resisting all efforts >to educate them. Rather than actively killing people, which is of course not nice, how about permanent exile somewhere fairly inaccessible and inhospitable? I suggest Rockall... -- Darren GSF1200N K3 |