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From: des popping in on 23 Dec 2009 07:17 On 2009-12-22, Champ <news(a)champ.org.uk> wrote: > On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 23:45:33 -0000, "'Hog" ><sm911SPAM(a)hotmailCHIPS.co.uk> wrote: > > >>Our prison system is so *utterly* fucked. It doesn't really punish evil >>scum who deserve to suffer and does absolutely nothing to train and >>rehabilitate those who might manage to reform. It couldn't be worse if you >>tried to design it so. > > Have you considered psychiatric help? Cos if you don't you're headed > for the kill file. Now listen carefully, because this is the only time I'm ever going to post this. I pledge not to killfile Hog, or to take any other action to prevent him posting to news:uk.rec.motorcycles, or to prevent his posts appearing on my screen - hell, I may even read them if the mood takes me. I pledge to ignore Hog. I will not reply to him, I will not reply to anybody who quotes him. I will never, in any of my posts, acknowledge that he exists, reference him, no matter how tangentially, or even use a meme that originated with or about him. I shall not refer to him by name or by inference - from my posts it will not be possible for anybody to know he even exists. When he posts information that I wish to correct, I pledge to ignore him. When he insults me, or friends of mine, or anybody else, I pledge to ignore him. Whatever behaviour he displays, be it behaviour that I find favourable or abhorrent, I pledge to ignore him. If he posts a link where I can not verify that he will not be able to determine that I have followed it, I pledge to leave it un-clicked. I pledge this will be the last time I acknowledge him in any way and I shall not even refer to this pledge again, in case it gives him some grain of satisfaction or a morsel of the attention he so desperately craves. If you want rid of Hog then this is the way to do it. *snigger*
From: 'Hog on 23 Dec 2009 12:22 Champ wrote: > On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 15:56:25 +0100, Ace <b.rogers(a)ifrance.com> wrote: > >>>> It's not the coldest part of the world >>> >>> "The coldest winter I ever spent was a summer in San Fancisco" > >> It's one of those self-perpetuating myths. Sure, in parts of the Bay >> area it's cooler than the surrounding countryside, due to frequent >> sea mists, but 'cold' it ain't. Four weeks ago they were all >> claiming that it was unseasonably warm and sunny - the day we went >> out to Alcatraz was clear and around 19C, IIRC ; last week they were >> complaining about the bitter winter rains, as it had dropped to >> around 10C. >> >> They just don't know proper weather. > > Oh sure. I was in SF in January a few years ago, and walking around > in a t shirt. Having just come down from the mountains (Tahoe) it felt > bizarre. I've often been in SF but it has never been anything other than glorious weather. Cooler than LA certainly but that isn't a bad thing. -- 'Hog
From: 'Hog on 23 Dec 2009 07:59 Andy Bonwick wrote: > On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 23:48:51 +0000, Champ <news(a)champ.org.uk> wrote: > >> On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 23:45:33 -0000, "'Hog" >> <sm911SPAM(a)hotmailCHIPS.co.uk> wrote: >> >> >>> Our prison system is so *utterly* fucked. It doesn't really punish >>> evil scum who deserve to suffer and does absolutely nothing to >>> train and rehabilitate those who might manage to reform. It >>> couldn't be worse if you tried to design it so. >> >> Have you considered psychiatric help? Cos if you don't you're headed >> for the kill file. > > He's goading you and you're falling for it. > > Fear not, if he makes it to Germany I'll break his other leg as > punishment for being such a naughty boy. I have these at the ready www.blacktoe.co.uk > Ice Grips > JH220 at the ready and I also got a couple of the JH203's. Those studs are mounted in a really heavy duty rubber backing with industrial velcro. I think they are up to bike/wheel use. As for Champ, well he refuses to let drop that some people have diametrically opposed opinions. As is their right. I'd suggest he joins the Labour Party, except of course they adopted Thatcherism some years ago. <blush> -- 'Hog
From: 'Hog on 23 Dec 2009 08:07 Ace wrote: > On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 23:45:33 -0000, "'Hog" > <sm911SPAM(a)hotmailCHIPS.co.uk> wrote: > >> Ace <b.rogers(a)ifrance.com> wrote: >> >>> Good point. But Rope and Hog would probably think it OK, as long as >>> they're only able to take it out on each other. >> >> Shouldn't be any social interaction for lifers perhaps, as >> rehabilitation isn't an issue, assuming we can't execute them. >> Solitary. Rabbit runs for exercise. Chain gang for work. > > You really are fucked in the head. Whatever they may (or in some > cases, may not) have done they are still human beings. Perhaps you attach some special meaning to being human. I don't. It isn't what you are but what you do that matters (to me). That's why I don't give much credence to our Human Rights culture, it doesn't place any onus on the individual. And isn't that debate one of the great dividing issues today. >> Someone who toured Alcatraz told me recently that the (individual) >> cells were essentially open to the elements. > > I was there, did the tour, a few weeks ago - your 'someone' was > talking bollocks. I don't mean the cells are outside but that the main hallway (if it has such) appeared to have "direct access" to the outside. And was a bit baltic as a result? >> That would explain the Birdman. >> Our prison system is so *utterly* fucked. It doesn't really punish >> evil scum who deserve to suffer and does absolutely nothing to train >> and rehabilitate those who might manage to reform. It couldn't be >> worse if you tried to design it so. > > Oh, it could. Just look at the US system, for a start. They actually > still have most of the elements you espouse, yet manage a far worse > rate of reoffending, plus an almost complete gang mentality in the > prisons, such that for many inmates life inside or outside really > isn't that much different. I've never been near a US jail so I really wouldn't know. But you do me a diservice if you think I'm suggesting anything of the sort. I envisaged a system where any sort of gang culture would be impossible. Where contact between prisoners was minimal. I do support prison reform, for those who are capable of reform. But some simply are not or require rather special circumstances, hence the old cage system in the Bar-L. -- 'Hog
From: Ace on 23 Dec 2009 08:27
On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 13:07:09 -0000, "'Hog" <sm911SPAM(a)hotmailCHIPS.co.uk> wrote: >Ace wrote: >> On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 23:45:33 -0000, "'Hog" >> <sm911SPAM(a)hotmailCHIPS.co.uk> wrote: >>> Shouldn't be any social interaction for lifers perhaps, as >>> rehabilitation isn't an issue, assuming we can't execute them. >>> Solitary. Rabbit runs for exercise. Chain gang for work. >> >> You really are fucked in the head. Whatever they may (or in some >> cases, may not) have done they are still human beings. > >Perhaps you attach some special meaning to being human. Yeah, it;s what makes us human. >I don't. You're not human? Explains a lot, does that. >>> Someone who toured Alcatraz told me recently that the (individual) >>> cells were essentially open to the elements. >> >> I was there, did the tour, a few weeks ago - your 'someone' was >> talking bollocks. > >I don't mean the cells are outside but that the main hallway (if it has >such) appeared to have "direct access" to the outside. I'm sure the heating was rudimentary at best, and the cells do only have bar doors, so any draft from outside would whip right through, but there's more than a single door between the cells and the outside. >And was a bit baltic as a result? It's not the coldest part of the world, though. |