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From: TimC on 22 Apr 2010 00:07 On 2010-04-22, Marty H (aka Bruce) was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea: > On Apr 21, 6:14 pm, "Nev.." <id...(a)mindless.com> wrote: >> On 21/04/2010 8:58 AM, Marty H wrote: >> >> > Seeing that more Pedistians get killed and injuried each year than >> > motorcyclist in Vic and dont pay one read cent to TAC/insurance, they >> >> Hey, I am a pedestrian and I pay at least my fair share of TAC insurance >> premiums, probably more. > > so am I, but that is not the point, if you went down that alley, then > there should be a medicare style levy put in place for every tax payer > to pay instead of the TAC/3rd party that we now pay per vehicle. > > you pay your TAC/3rd party for the vehicle you are using, as a > Pedestrian in Vic (correct me if I am wrong), if you get hit by a car, > doesn't matter if you are in the right or wrong, the TAC still pays > for your medical bills, therefore you have a free ride, especially if > you are at fault.. and seeing more Pedestrians get killed in Vic that > motorcyclist, the TAC we pay, plus the extra $50 blows chunks Yes, but it's the vehicle that does the damage. If there was no vehicle, there would be no damage, so the driver of vehicles in general need to contribute to a pool that mitigates the risk that their vehicles pose. Bicycle riders don't pay a similar tax, because in 99.9% of collisions, the bicycle doesn't kill or maim anyone other than the rider (TAC is only personal injury and death remember. Bicycles can cause property damage, but that's what the civil litigation system is for). -- TimC "It occurred to me this morning that many system design flaws can be traced to unwarrantedly anthropomorphizing the user." -- Steven.Maker(a)dartmouth.edu, in rec.humor.funny
From: VTR250 on 22 Apr 2010 02:18 On Apr 21, 10:05 am, "George W Frost" <georgewfr...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > "Marty H" <hyt...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > <snip> > > sadly...Jaywalking in Melbourne is getting so bad it is becoming > ridiculous. > > My office is in the bottom end of Flinders Lane in Melbourne and I am > driving through the CDB several time each day. The amount of > pedestrians that just walk out onto the road without looking or worse > still, looking and simply not caring is astounding, Ipods and mobiles > phones don't help either. > > <snip> One very big (i.e. noticeable) difference between the UK and Australia is what happens on pedestrian crossings. I thought you were supposed to "Stop, Look, Listen, Think" [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Green_Cross_Code] i.e. stand at the crossing, see if cars are coming, wait until the traffic has stopped or passed before carefully crossing the road, (ie. cross defensively). Not march out into the street without breaking your stride or even looking. If you did that in the UK, people would tell you you were a complete idiot. I asked a true blue Aussie mate of mine if many Australians die on crossings and he seemed to think they did, but I don't have any numbers. Australian drivers seem to behave differently because, I assume, they know the pedestrian won't stop look, listen or think.
From: Moike on 22 Apr 2010 02:51 VTR250 wrote: > On Apr 21, 10:05 am, "George W Frost" <georgewfr...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> "Marty H" <hyt...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >> <snip> >> >> sadly...Jaywalking in Melbourne is getting so bad it is becoming >> ridiculous. >> >> My office is in the bottom end of Flinders Lane in Melbourne and I am >> driving through the CDB several time each day. The amount of >> pedestrians that just walk out onto the road without looking or worse >> still, looking and simply not caring is astounding, Ipods and mobiles >> phones don't help either. >> >> <snip> > > One very big (i.e. noticeable) difference between the UK and Australia > is what happens on pedestrian crossings. I thought you were supposed > to "Stop, Look, Listen, Think" [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ > Green_Cross_Code] i.e. stand at the crossing, see if cars are coming, > wait until the traffic has stopped or passed before carefully crossing > the road, (ie. cross defensively). Not march out into the street > without breaking your stride or even looking. If you did that in the > UK, people would tell you you were a complete idiot. > I thought that was a code for crossing streets where there was no pedestrian crossing. If the idea is to wait until there is no traffic, there'd be no point painting zebra stripes on the road. > I asked a true blue Aussie mate of mine if many Australians die on > crossings and he seemed to think they did, but I don't have any > numbers. Australian drivers seem to behave differently because, I > assume, they know the pedestrian won't stop look, listen or think. No, they stop and give way to pedestrians on pedestrian crossings because they (mostly) know the rules. Having said that, I was very nearly the cause of the demise of one bewildered lady when, "on my recent motorcycling tour of the European Alps" I was going through a village in Italy and saw a lady apparently about to step onto the road at a zebra crossing. Of course I stopped to give way (as you do). She was so astounded that she stepped onto the road without looking back the other way and was very nearly collected by a lorry coming the other way! Apparently in Italy, being about to step off the curb at a pedestrian crossing is no reason for traffic to stop. When you actually step off, they will find a way to avoid hitting you (if you are on a zebra crossing). Moike
From: Moike on 22 Apr 2010 02:57 George W Frost wrote: > "Moike" <Ym13bW9pa2VAZ21haWwuY29t(a)REGISTERED_USER_usenet.com.au> wrote in > message news:hqljas$5tv$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >> George W Frost wrote: >> >>> Haven't been into the city proper for a while now, but they used to have >>> coppers on point duty at each intersection, directing traffic and other >>> stuff. >>> The point I am getting at, is there used to be a particular copper on >>> point >>> at Flinders and Swanston Street intersection, directing traffic and if >>> any >>> pedestrian decided to chance the lights and walk against his direction, >>> he >>> would call them back to the footpath from where they came from, then talk >>> to >>> them for about two ot three mniutes about the dangers of the traffic, >>> thus >>> holding them up from catching their train or whatever, making them late >>> for >>> an appointment, then he would let them go with the green light, when he >>> was >>> good and ready to. >>> There were not many who tried to cross against the lights when he was on >>> duty, even if they hadn't been caught before. >>> Could you imagine the embarrasment? >> Do you mean the copper we knew as the skull, or skullface in the early >> 70's? >> >> I have spoken to him..... >> >> Moike >> > > > after you tried running the red light? > > Not exactly running. Walking quickly when the "Walk" sign was (technically) a "Dont Walk". The policeman I'm talking about was a tall, silver-haired copper with rather high cheekbones (hence the nickname). He seemed to be stationed there for a long time, while other points-duty cops came and went. I think he liked the job. When riding past on my 50cc Vespa, I always followed his instructions carefully, knowing I probably couldn't outrun him without abandoning the scooter. Moike
From: George W Frost on 22 Apr 2010 03:35
"Moike" <bmwmoike(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:4bcff347(a)newsgate.x-privat.org... > George W Frost wrote: >> "Moike" <Ym13bW9pa2VAZ21haWwuY29t(a)REGISTERED_USER_usenet.com.au> wrote in >> message news:hqljas$5tv$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>> George W Frost wrote: >>> >>>> Haven't been into the city proper for a while now, but they used to >>>> have >>>> coppers on point duty at each intersection, directing traffic and other >>>> stuff. >>>> The point I am getting at, is there used to be a particular copper on >>>> point >>>> at Flinders and Swanston Street intersection, directing traffic and if >>>> any >>>> pedestrian decided to chance the lights and walk against his direction, >>>> he >>>> would call them back to the footpath from where they came from, then >>>> talk to >>>> them for about two ot three mniutes about the dangers of the traffic, >>>> thus >>>> holding them up from catching their train or whatever, making them late >>>> for >>>> an appointment, then he would let them go with the green light, when he >>>> was >>>> good and ready to. >>>> There were not many who tried to cross against the lights when he was >>>> on >>>> duty, even if they hadn't been caught before. >>>> Could you imagine the embarrasment? >>> Do you mean the copper we knew as the skull, or skullface in the early >>> 70's? >>> >>> I have spoken to him..... >>> >>> Moike >>> >> >> >> after you tried running the red light? > Not exactly running. Walking quickly when the "Walk" sign was > (technically) a "Dont Walk". > > The policeman I'm talking about was a tall, silver-haired copper with > rather high cheekbones (hence the nickname). He seemed to be stationed > there for a long time, while other points-duty cops came and went. I > think he liked the job. > > When riding past on my 50cc Vespa, I always followed his instructions > carefully, knowing I probably couldn't outrun him without abandoning the > scooter. > > Moike Tall copper............ huh?? from what I have been told about you everyone is tall |