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From: Kevin Gleeson on 25 Apr 2010 05:46 On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 08:49:19 +0000 (UTC), YnRAaHVtYmxldG93bi5vcmc=(a)REGISTERED_USER_usenet.com.au (BT Humble) wrote: >Diogenes wrote: >> >> On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 01:00:58 GMT, Kevin Gleeson >> <kevingleeson(a)imagine-it.com.au> wrote: >> >> >> >And I don't know why I keep biting at your trolls, I must be bored or >> >something . . . >> >> I reckon it's cos you're not gettin any... > >+1 > > >BTH Stop predicting correctly. I need to get out more. Kev
From: JL on 25 Apr 2010 09:24 On Apr 24, 10:15 am, Lars Chance <lars.cha...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > Kevin Gleeson wrote: > > On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 11:42:40 GMT, Lars Chance > > <lars.cha...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > >> Kevin Gleeson wrote: > > >>> Along these lines, I had to go down to Kent St in Sydney CBD the other > >>> day to pick up a security pass for another one of our buildings. > >>> Coming back I crossed Kent St after checking for traffic and saw none > >>> so wandered over the road. It is a quiet little street and there are > >>> road works going on so cars are avoiding it as it is bottlenecked. As > >>> I nearly got to the other side of the street a bicycle screamed past > >>> me and abused me for not looking. He was flying. Way faster than I'd > >>> drive any car or motorcycle through there. Estimate he may have been > >>> doing 60 kph. He nearly hit me. I felt the wind from him as he went > >>> past. (snip) > > >> So you admit you were 100% in the wrong and you probably caused the > >> subsequent crash (after the *law abiding* cyclist had to avoid the > >> jaywalking non-attention-paying obstacle) yet you still try and put the > >> blame on *him*!! > > >> You belong in aus.cars Kev! > > > I was not in the wrong. I was crossing a clear street. This guy was > > traveling way too fast for the conditions. > > > > If the guy was travelling on it, it wasn't clear was it? > >> There were bollards around > > the road, I had checked the road (I've managed to cross roads for > > nearly 50 years now and survive so think I have got an idea how to do > > it without accident). HE was totally out of an appropriate zone. He > > went on the inside of me and the footpath on the other side of the > > road just as I was about to reach the other side. > > > > He was on the road obeying the rules (including the speed-limit), you > were crossing illegally. > He saw you, you didn't see him. > He swerved and avoided you (while on the roadway) yet you maintain HE > was in the wrong!! Logic failure. Regardless of any illegality Kev may or may not have made, the requirement to give way to pedestrians who have a green walk signal is absolute, and not relieved by any other negligence. JL
From: Lars Chance on 25 Apr 2010 10:56 JL wrote: > On Apr 24, 10:15 am, Lars Chance <lars.cha...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>>> Kevin Gleeson wrote: >>>>> Along these lines, I had to go down to Kent St in Sydney CBD the other >>>>> day to pick up a security pass for another one of our buildings. >>>>> Coming back I crossed Kent St after checking for traffic and saw none >>>>> so wandered over the road. It is a quiet little street and there are >>>>> road works going on so cars are avoiding it as it is bottlenecked. As >>>>> I nearly got to the other side of the street a bicycle screamed past >>>>> me and abused me for not looking. He was flying. Way faster than I'd >>>>> drive any car or motorcycle through there. Estimate he may have been >>>>> doing 60 kph. He nearly hit me. I felt the wind from him as he went >>>>> past. (snip) > >> He was on the road obeying the rules (including the speed-limit), you >> were crossing illegally. >> He saw you, you didn't see him. >> He swerved and avoided you (while on the roadway) yet you maintain HE >> was in the wrong!! > > Logic failure. Regardless of any illegality Kev may or may not have > made, the requirement to give way to pedestrians who have a green walk > signal is absolute, and not relieved by any other negligence. > Fact failure. No green walk signal in original story. -- Elsie.
From: Lee on 25 Apr 2010 15:11 On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 00:56:26 +1000, Lars Chance <lars.chance(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > JL wrote: >> On Apr 24, 10:15 am, Lars Chance <lars.cha...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>> Kevin Gleeson wrote: >>>>>> Along these lines, I had to go down to Kent St in Sydney CBD the other >>>>>> day to pick up a security pass for another one of our buildings. >>>>>> Coming back I crossed Kent St after checking for traffic and saw none >>>>>> so wandered over the road. It is a quiet little street and there are >>>>>> road works going on so cars are avoiding it as it is bottlenecked. As >>>>>> I nearly got to the other side of the street a bicycle screamed past >>>>>> me and abused me for not looking. He was flying. Way faster than I'd >>>>>> drive any car or motorcycle through there. Estimate he may have been >>>>>> doing 60 kph. He nearly hit me. I felt the wind from him as he went >>>>>> past. (snip) >> >>> He was on the road obeying the rules (including the speed-limit), you >>> were crossing illegally. >>> He saw you, you didn't see him. >>> He swerved and avoided you (while on the roadway) yet you maintain HE >>> was in the wrong!! >> >> Logic failure. Regardless of any illegality Kev may or may not have >> made, the requirement to give way to pedestrians who have a green walk >> signal is absolute, and not relieved by any other negligence. >> > Fact failure. No green walk signal in original story. > <pedant> but there was in the followup post http://groups.google.com/group/aus.motorcycles/msg/2b14ae4769e1aeeb </pedant> -- Lee
From: Kevin Gleeson on 25 Apr 2010 19:24
On Sun, 25 Apr 2010 14:56:26 GMT, Lars Chance <lars.chance(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >JL wrote: >> On Apr 24, 10:15 am, Lars Chance <lars.cha...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>> Kevin Gleeson wrote: >>>>>> Along these lines, I had to go down to Kent St in Sydney CBD the other >>>>>> day to pick up a security pass for another one of our buildings. >>>>>> Coming back I crossed Kent St after checking for traffic and saw none >>>>>> so wandered over the road. It is a quiet little street and there are >>>>>> road works going on so cars are avoiding it as it is bottlenecked. As >>>>>> I nearly got to the other side of the street a bicycle screamed past >>>>>> me and abused me for not looking. He was flying. Way faster than I'd >>>>>> drive any car or motorcycle through there. Estimate he may have been >>>>>> doing 60 kph. He nearly hit me. I felt the wind from him as he went >>>>>> past. (snip) >> >>> He was on the road obeying the rules (including the speed-limit), you >>> were crossing illegally. >>> He saw you, you didn't see him. >>> He swerved and avoided you (while on the roadway) yet you maintain HE >>> was in the wrong!! >> >> Logic failure. Regardless of any illegality Kev may or may not have >> made, the requirement to give way to pedestrians who have a green walk >> signal is absolute, and not relieved by any other negligence. >> >Fact failure. No green walk signal in original story. I was not anywhere near pedestrian lights. The people he hit were crossing at green pedestrian lights. The point is still he simply should not have been traveling that fast in a built up area. And cars are required to give way to pedestrians regardless of whether they are crossing illegally or not. Kev |