One way to resolve the perceived "midget problem"
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From: Carl Sundquist on 4 Oct 2007 14:20 "T3" <nothere(a)nowhere.net> wrote in message news:47051ce2$0$15348$4c368faf(a)roadrunner.com... > > <wamanning(a)email.com> wrote in message > news:1191516189.043051.181930(a)y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com... >> midgets have short legs and cant run fast and probably less able to >> man-handle a bike. >> >> slower to get to their bikes and probably have a tougher time bump- >> starting them. >> >> i like the idea, but it'll never happen. >> > I dunno 'bout that not runnin' fast thing, but I can imagine the > difficulty a flyweight might have bumpin' one of those 13, or 14:1 engines > over. Heh, it could comical 'purdy quick! How much harder would it be than kickstarting a 450cc MX'er? They're running a claimed 12.3 compression, stock.
From: T3 on 4 Oct 2007 14:51 "Carl Sundquist" <carlsun(a)cox.net> wrote in message news:SaaNi.334468$dA7.307069(a)newsfe16.lga... > > "T3" <nothere(a)nowhere.net> wrote in message > news:47051ce2$0$15348$4c368faf(a)roadrunner.com... >> >> <wamanning(a)email.com> wrote in message >> news:1191516189.043051.181930(a)y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com... >>> midgets have short legs and cant run fast and probably less able to >>> man-handle a bike. >>> >>> slower to get to their bikes and probably have a tougher time bump- >>> starting them. >>> >>> i like the idea, but it'll never happen. >>> >> I dunno 'bout that not runnin' fast thing, but I can imagine the >> difficulty a flyweight might have bumpin' one of those 13, or 14:1 >> engines over. Heh, it could comical 'purdy quick! > > How much harder would it be than kickstarting a 450cc MX'er? They're > running a claimed 12.3 compression, stock. They're not really easy either, especially not when hot and with the carbon brakes in MGP I'm thinkin' those motors would be warm too. In any event and no matter how cool an idea, or how funny it could get, it ain't gonna happen...
From: Jake on 4 Oct 2007 15:01 On Oct 4, 10:53 am, Champ <n...(a)champ.org.uk> wrote: > On Thu, 04 Oct 2007 09:43:09 -0700, wamann...(a)email.com wrote: > >> >> You mean push starts? > > >> >Le Mans Start: > > >> >Bikes in a line down one side of the start-finish straigth, riders in > >> >a line down the other side of the start finish straight. > > >> >Flag drops, riders sprint across track, leap on bikes, fire 'em up and > >> >start race. > > >> Yes, yes, we all know what a Le Mans start is. > > >> What you've not explained is how this might 'resolve the percieved > >> "midget problem"' > >> -- > >> Champ > >> neal at champ dot org dot uk > > >midgets have short legs and cant run fast and probably less able to > >man-handle a bike. > > >slower to get to their bikes and probably have a tougher time bump- > >starting them. > > Endurance races haven't used bump starts for 20 years. > > And, has been pointed out elsewhere, the current generation of MotoGP > bikes run such high compression that you wouldn't bump start it if you > were weighed 20 stone [1]. Sure, but they also have quite fancy engine management and even engine braking systems. So it'd keep the throttle plate fully open and fuel injectors off until you pushed it up to ten miles an hour, you jump on top, it ramps the throttle closed and gives it some gas and off you go. It's not the 80s any more. -jake
From: Alexey on 4 Oct 2007 15:52 On Oct 4, 2:07 pm, "just bob" <kilbyfan(a)aoldotcom> wrote: > "Alexey" <inline_f...(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message > > news:1191501227.007445.117210(a)n39g2000hsh.googlegroups.com... > > > On Oct 3, 10:06 pm, "Carl Sundquist" <carl...(a)cox.net> wrote: > >> Go back to LeMans starts. > > > What's the problem you're trying to solve? > > Not enough riders eating pizza and beer. Maybe, short of doing a bike/rider minimum weight rule instead of bike- only minimum weight, we could have minimum rider weight and girth measurements in WSBK (real world-based racing) and anything goes in Moto GP... :)
From: j doll on 4 Oct 2007 17:38
"Jake" <jamcguir(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1191524481.010469.116120(a)w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com... > On Oct 4, 10:53 am, Champ <n...(a)champ.org.uk> wrote: >> On Thu, 04 Oct 2007 09:43:09 -0700, wamann...(a)email.com wrote: <snip> >> And, has been pointed out elsewhere, the current generation of MotoGP >> bikes run such high compression that you wouldn't bump start it if you >> were weighed 20 stone [1]. > > Sure, but they also have quite fancy engine management and even engine > braking systems. So it'd keep the throttle plate fully open and fuel > injectors off until you pushed it up to ten miles an hour, you jump on > top, it ramps the throttle closed and gives it some gas and off you > go. > > It's not the 80s any more. > > -jake >No it sure isn't The bikes have gotten "dumbed down" so much that a certain amount of rider skill as been negated.Even Rossi has mentioned it... And he rode 500's when they had been made much less fierce than the 80's Yeah I'm sure that with a bit of wizard work you could get the current bikes to bump start. But as they sit right now you can't very easily. You noticed the start carts that are universal now? Nobody bumps their MotoGP to life, even the mechanics don't bother |