One way to resolve the perceived "midget problem"
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From: Carl Sundquist on 4 Oct 2007 19:54 "j doll" <jdoll(a)jvlnet.com> wrote in message news:2qGdnVskn6HqwJjanZ2dnUVZ_vamnZ2d(a)jvlnet.com... > > Yeah I'm sure that with a bit of wizard work you could get the current > bikes to bump start. > But as they sit right now you can't very easily. You noticed the start > carts that are universal now? Nobody bumps their MotoGP to life, even the > mechanics don't bother Virtually all automobiles now come with electric window lifts, but it's not because the passengers can't turn the crank.
From: Mark N on 4 Oct 2007 23:51 Alexey wrote: > "just bob" wrote: >> "Alexey" wrote >>> What's the problem you're trying to solve? >> Not enough riders eating pizza and beer. > Maybe, short of doing a bike/rider minimum weight rule instead of bike- > only minimum weight, we could have minimum rider weight and girth > measurements in WSBK (real world-based racing) and anything goes in > Moto GP... :) Did a quick check of the riders confirmed in MotoGP for '08: John Hopkins 72kg / 158lbs James Toseland 70kg / 154lbs Nicky Hayden 69kg / 150lbs Colin Edwards 69kg / 150lbs Chris Vermeulen 68kg / 148lbs Valentino Rossi 67kg / 146lbs Anthony West 65kg / 143lbs Marco Melandri 64kg / 141lbs Randy de Puniet 63kg / 139lbs Sylvain Guintoli 62kg / 136lbs Loris Capirossi 59kg / 130lbs Casey Stoner 58kg / 128lbs Shinya Nakano 58kg / 128lbs Toni Elias 57kg / 125lbs Alex de Angelis 57kg / 125lbs Gorge Lorenzo 55kg / 121lbs Andrea Dovizioso 54kg / 119lbs Dani Pedrosa 51kg / 112lbs So 18 riders, and with an average weight of 62kg, 136lbs. That's almost ten pounds less than the old "optimal range" lower limit, and as far as I know is well less than any premier class champion with the exception of new champ Stoner. It's also apparently less than any of the riders in WSB today, including ex-250s Fonsi Nieto (64kg), Max Biaggi (66kg) and Roberto Rolfo (68kg). And now there's a hard line between the source of the riders, with every rider at 68k or more coming from the SB world and every rider 67kg or less from 250, and the vast majority of those 125 as well. So I think what we actually have in WSB is anything (anyone) goes real-world racing, but in GP we now have maximum rider weights, but imposed by nationality and background and not rules. I mean, it's just amazing how quickly these guys are getting so small - just go back to 2004 and look at Hofmann, Barros, Gibernau, Roberts, Hodgson, Xaus, Checa, Bayliss, Byrne, Biaggi, all whom would be in the top third of the next class in terms of weight. And look at the one new guy from SB compared to the three from 250, with their average weight being more than 30 lbs less than his. Just staggering...
From: j doll on 5 Oct 2007 01:23 "Carl Sundquist" <carlsun(a)cox.net> wrote in message news:p3fNi.12977$495.10696(a)newsfe22.lga... > > "j doll" <jdoll(a)jvlnet.com> wrote in message > news:2qGdnVskn6HqwJjanZ2dnUVZ_vamnZ2d(a)jvlnet.com... >> >> Yeah I'm sure that with a bit of wizard work you could get the current >> bikes to bump start. >> But as they sit right now you can't very easily. You noticed the start >> carts that are universal now? Nobody bumps their MotoGP to life, even the >> mechanics don't bother > > Virtually all automobiles now come with electric window lifts, but it's > not because the passengers can't turn the crank. Boy you are clueless. Getting a start cart out isn't quite the same thing. It's a hell of a lot simpler to bump a bike then to get a special bit of equipment out. Instead now you need 2-3 guys to fire up the bike. Before it was a one man deal. If the mechanics were as lazy as you imply, where are the start carts for the 125's and 250's? If you could >
From: Richard on 5 Oct 2007 03:29 "Mark N" <menusbaum(a)NYETSPAMearthlink.net> wrote in message news:13gbcutsqpn69df(a)corp.supernews.com... > > So I think what we actually have in WSB is anything (anyone) goes > real-world racing, but in GP we now have maximum rider weights, but > imposed by nationality and background and not rules. I mean, it's just > amazing how quickly these guys are getting so small - just go back to 2004 > and look at Hofmann, Barros, Gibernau, Roberts, Hodgson, Xaus, Checa, > Bayliss, Byrne, Biaggi, all whom would be in the top third of the next > class in terms of weight. And look at the one new guy from SB compared to > the three from 250, with their average weight being more than 30 lbs less > than his. > > Just staggering... So why don't the AMA create a World Series for fat Americans. Perhaps they could race Harley trikes.
From: Julian Bond on 5 Oct 2007 05:14
Richard <rlmccann(a)hotmail.com> Fri, 5 Oct 2007 20:29:58 >So why don't the AMA create a World Series for fat Americans. Perhaps they >could race Harley trikes. Heh! I wonder what the weights were for next year's racers back when they were all 21? -- Julian Bond E&MSN: julian_bond at voidstar.com M: +44 (0)77 5907 2173 Webmaster: http://www.ecademy.com/ T: +44 (0)192 0412 433 Personal WebLog: http://www.voidstar.com/ skype:julian.bond?chat *** Just Say No To DRM *** |