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From: G-S on 6 Feb 2007 15:43 Knobdoodle wrote: > "Boxer" <someone(a)nowhere.com> wrote: >> "Knobdoodle" <knobdoodle(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>> OK; I can accept the logic of centrifugal force causing the centre of the >>> valve to pull down (towards the outside of the tyre) at high speed and >>> letting the tyre deflate. (Sorry Nathan; I didn't understand the equation >>> and sorry Theo; I didn't understand the explanation.) >> So that's why the front end of your GS let go! >> > I should've known 45kph was pushing into "Totally Ludicrous Speed"! Well... it _is_ a BMW! G-S
From: Dale Porter on 6 Feb 2007 15:55 "CrazyCam" <crazycam(a)ar.com.au> wrote >> windows up, door locked for added safety in a roll over, check. > > I'd have thought that the doors being locked might be good if folk were trying to pull occupants out of car, or, OTOH, bad... for > the same reason. > > Many years ago, in britain, it used to be illegal to drive a car with the doors locked. > > The logic was that if you stacked it, locked doors made it harder for people to pull you out of the remains. > > Interesting thought, although many times in crashes where significant damage to the vehicle occurs, the doors cannot be opened anyway, regardless of whether the doors were locked or not. -- Dale Porter GPX250 -> CBR600 -> VTR1000 + VT250F-J
From: Toosmoky on 6 Feb 2007 15:58 CrazyCam wrote: > Many years ago, in britain, it used to be illegal to drive a car with > the doors locked. > > The logic was that if you stacked it, locked doors made it harder for > people to pull you out of the remains. Maybe once, but we have very big can-openers nowadays... Burst-proof (-resistant might be a better term) door locks are now ubiquitous and do not impede a properly equipped rescue team. Then again modern cars such as BMWs are very hard to get into, even for Road Accident Rescue teams because of materials tougher than our tools and pyrotechnic devices but the flip side is that you'd have to be trying very, very, very hard to get hurt in one... -- Toosmoky Work to ride, Ride to Work... http://toosmoky.d2.net.au
From: CrazyCam on 6 Feb 2007 16:32 Toosmoky wrote: > CrazyCam wrote: > >> Many years ago, in britain, it used to be illegal to drive a car with >> the doors locked. >> >> The logic was that if you stacked it, locked doors made it harder for >> people to pull you out of the remains. > > Maybe once, but we have very big can-openers nowadays... Aye, but, Joe Public doesn't have them, and Joe is the most likely person to be first on the scene. > Burst-proof (-resistant might be a better term) door locks are now > ubiquitous and do not impede a properly equipped rescue team. Agreed, but see above. > Then again modern cars such as BMWs are very hard to get into, even for > Road Accident Rescue teams because of materials tougher than our tools > and pyrotechnic devices but the flip side is that you'd have to be > trying very, very, very hard to get hurt in one... Some people put a serious amount of effort into it. :-| In the past, I have been the first on scene.... four people in a _very_ twisted, mangled mess of a car, wrapped round a power pole... petrol everywhere. At the time it made sense to me to remove those that I could from what seemed like a potential fire bomb. (My mate was sent off to get the experts.) In similar circumstances today, I'd really hate to just have to sit and watch what happens because the doors are locked. <shrug> regards, CrazyCam
From: Toosmoky on 6 Feb 2007 17:43
CrazyCam wrote: > Aye, but, Joe Public doesn't have them, and Joe is the most likely > person to be first on the scene. Yes, you're right. Every prang is different, some doors, though mangled can be easily opened, others may look undamaged but will be jammed into bodywork. A seatbelt cutter, like a fire extinguisher is a good investment and is more likely to be used on someone else's car other than your own. You'd be surprised at how quickly a hacksaw can cut through roof and door pillars and frames... > In the past, I have been the first on scene.... four people in a _very_ > twisted, mangled mess of a car, wrapped round a power pole... petrol > everywhere. > > At the time it made sense to me to remove those that I could from what > seemed like a potential fire bomb. (My mate was sent off to get the > experts.) > > In similar circumstances today, I'd really hate to just have to sit and > watch what happens because the doors are locked. <shrug> All valid points, which reinforce my opinion that motorcycles are much safer than cars, both for the occupants/riders and the things they might run into... -- Toosmoky Work to ride, Ride to Work... http://toosmoky.d2.net.au |