From: Nev.. on
atec wrote:
> Nev.. wrote:
>> GB wrote:
>>> "Nev.." <idiot(a)mindless.com> wrote in
>>> news:45c9a902$0$25338$5a62ac22(a)per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au:
>>>> Ok so I tested it myself.
>>>> 5.7 Lt EFI Holden in diagnostics mode.
>>>
>>> Won't work on an EFI anything.
>>
>>
>> OK, so Clem has pointed out that this lights on = extra fuel business
>> won't apply to my bike. You have pointed out that it won't apply to
>> my car. Now you're trying to convince me using examples involving my
>> bicycle...
>>
>> Nev..
>> '04 CBR1100XX
> Bicycle is a good example , it becomes harder to peddle when more lights
> are added , more energy is required ( fuel) and there is the answer

So the two vehicles in my garage with alternators are not good examples
of how an alternator increases fuel consumption, but the only one
without an alternator is a good example...

Nev..
'04 CBR1100XX
From: Nev.. on
GB wrote:
> "Nev.." <idiot(a)mindless.com> wrote in
> news:45c918aa$0$25300$5a62ac22(a)per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au:
>> GB wrote:
>>> OK, do me a favour. Go out to the shed, fire up your car and let
>>> it idle. make a note of where the tacho needle is sitting. Now, turn
>>> the lights on, full christmas tree, high beams, the works. Make a
>>> note of where the tacho needle is sitting now.
>> I hope you're not suggesting that it will move, because that will blow
>> the original "uses more fuel" argument out of the water...
>
> Well of *course* it will bloody move. Where do you think the
> energy to power the lights comes from? Out of thin bloody air?
> No, wait, you do think that, don't you!

No, you read my original post, have you forgotten it already? I stated
there where the energy to power the lights was coming from. I have
since been advised that except for my bicycle, which has no alternator,
my original post was correct for every vehicle in my garage which does
have an alternator... and for the record, I followed your instructions
as per above, and the tacho did not move, nor did the fuel rate change.
Perhaps I need to revise some of those physics books of yours.

Nev..
'04 CBR1100XX
From: F Murtz on
Peter Cremasco wrote:
> On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 13:26:50 +1100, "Mad-Biker"
> <mad-biker(a)westnet(Panties).com.au> wrote:
>
>
>>much like air conditioning, the alternator still turns over at a constant
>>rate no matter how much power your draining!
>
>
> It may turn over at a constant rate, but it will need more force to make
> it turn over if it is producing electricity - or, in the case of an a/c,
> running the compressor.
> ---
> Cheers
>
> PeterC [aka MildThing]
>
>
> '01 Yamaha FJR1300
>
> www.dmcsc.org.au
> http://eladesom.com.au/ulysses/
> # 37181
I seem to have started something (found out about newfangled charging
systems in the process)
Lucky my bike has a proper charging system and a proper engine with
proper big ends (slipper) Proper sump (no split crankcase)
From: MrMoped on

"Hammo" <hbaj2006(a)aapt.net.au> wrote in message
news:C1ED8518.DADF%hbaj2006(a)aapt.net.au...
>
>
>
> On 6/2/07 12:41 AM, in article 45c73421(a)dnews.tpgi.com.au, "F Murtz"
> <haggisz(a)tpg.com.au> wrote:
>
>> Mr_Hankey(a)qnr.com.au wrote:
>>> On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 11:39:18 GMT, David Z wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> "alxr" <a.a(a)c.d> wrote in message
>>>> news:MFExh.3138$sd2.570(a)news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>>>
>>>>> I live across the road from a popular harbourside parking spot.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is staggering the number of cars that reverse out of their spots
>>>>> and
>>>>> drive off...stereo blaring....
>>>>
>>>> And? What's the problem?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yeah, Smidsys have to start somewhere, you know.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Mr H
>> What is this idiocy about headlights.
>> headlights in daylight do nothing except waste fuel.
>
> Do tell, how?
>
> Hammo
>

Simple physics really! When switched on, the headlamp assembly pushes the
light beams forward (this is particularly noticable in the absence of
daylight), this is called an action. So using Newtons third law which states
that for every action there must be an equal and opposite reaction, the same
force applied by the headlamp to push the light beams is then also applied
to the vehicle, pushing it back! Extra petrol is used to overcome the force
applied by the headlamps.





From: Hammo on



On 8/2/07 1:03 AM, in article
B_kyh.4206$sd2.3318(a)news-server.bigpond.net.au, "MrMoped"
<MrMoped49(a)hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> "Hammo" <hbaj2006(a)aapt.net.au> wrote in message
> news:C1ED8518.DADF%hbaj2006(a)aapt.net.au...
>>
>>
>>
>> On 6/2/07 12:41 AM, in article 45c73421(a)dnews.tpgi.com.au, "F Murtz"
>> <haggisz(a)tpg.com.au> wrote:
>>
>>> Mr_Hankey(a)qnr.com.au wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 11:39:18 GMT, David Z wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> "alxr" <a.a(a)c.d> wrote in message
>>>>> news:MFExh.3138$sd2.570(a)news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>>>>
>>>>>> I live across the road from a popular harbourside parking spot.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is staggering the number of cars that reverse out of their spots
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> drive off...stereo blaring....
>>>>>
>>>>> And? What's the problem?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, Smidsys have to start somewhere, you know.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Mr H
>>> What is this idiocy about headlights.
>>> headlights in daylight do nothing except waste fuel.
>>
>> Do tell, how?
>>
>> Hammo
>>
>
> Simple physics really! When switched on, the headlamp assembly pushes the
> light beams forward (this is particularly noticable in the absence of
> daylight), this is called an action. So using Newtons third law which states
> that for every action there must be an equal and opposite reaction, the same
> force applied by the headlamp to push the light beams is then also applied
> to the vehicle, pushing it back! Extra petrol is used to overcome the force
> applied by the headlamps.
>
So, if I mount it backwards, I use less fuel!

Hammo

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