From: Nev.. on 7 Feb 2007 17:14
> "Nev.." <idiot(a)mindless.com> wrote in news:45c9b501$0$25326$5a62ac22(a)per-
>> OK, so Clem has pointed out that this lights on = extra fuel business
>> won't apply to my bike. You have pointed out that it won't apply to my
>> car. Now you're trying to convince me using examples involving my
> No, I haven't claimed that it won't apply to your car, I claimed
> that it will be harder to detect in your car. In a simple vehicle
> with an engine, alternator and lights and not much else, the effect
> of the load cause by turning the lights on will be obvious by virtue
> of the drop in revs. The same effect occurs in EFI vehicles, but
> the engine management computer compensates for it by tweaking other
> things that cause the revs to return to the configured idle point.
> You still use more fuel when the lights are on but, as you have
> found in your own test, that additional usage will not be betrayed
> by a drop in engine revs at idle.
And you very neatly ignored the bit where I also found that it did not
affect the fuel flow and therefore did not use any more fuel... no
wait.. you poo-poo'd that because it didn't suit your argument. BZZT.
From: Nev.. on 7 Feb 2007 17:31
> Nev.. wrote:
>> atec wrote:
>>> Nev.. wrote:
>>>> GB wrote:
>>>>> "Nev.." <idiot(a)mindless.com> wrote in
>>>>>> Ok so I tested it myself.
>>>>>> 5.7 Lt EFI Holden in diagnostics mode.
>>>>> Won't work on an EFI anything.
>>>> OK, so Clem has pointed out that this lights on = extra fuel
>>>> business won't apply to my bike. You have pointed out that it won't
>>>> apply to my car. Now you're trying to convince me using examples
>>>> involving my bicycle...
>>>> '04 CBR1100XX
>>> Bicycle is a good example , it becomes harder to peddle when more
>>> lights are added , more energy is required ( fuel) and there is the
>> So the two vehicles in my garage with alternators are not good
>> examples of how an alternator increases fuel consumption, but the only
>> one without an alternator is a good example...
> Have a look at my garage sometime... there are several good examples :)
I dunno Geoff.. I'd have thought that at least one of them would have to
start in order to be a good example :P
From: Heath Raftery on 7 Feb 2007 18:09
MrMoped <MrMoped49(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
> "Hammo" <hbaj2006(a)aapt.net.au> wrote in message
>> On 6/2/07 12:41 AM, in article 45c73421(a)dnews.tpgi.com.au, "F Murtz"
>> <haggisz(a)tpg.com.au> wrote:
>>> Mr_Hankey(a)qnr.com.au wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 11:39:18 GMT, David Z wrote:
>>>>> "alxr" <a.a(a)c.d> wrote in message
>>>>>> I live across the road from a popular harbourside parking spot.
>>>>>> It is staggering the number of cars that reverse out of their spots
>>>>>> drive off...stereo blaring....
>>>>> And? What's the problem?
>>>> Yeah, Smidsys have to start somewhere, you know.
>>>> Mr H
>>> What is this idiocy about headlights.
>>> headlights in daylight do nothing except waste fuel.
>> Do tell, how?
> Simple physics really! When switched on, the headlamp assembly pushes the
> light beams forward (this is particularly noticable in the absence of
> daylight), this is called an action. So using Newtons third law which states
> that for every action there must be an equal and opposite reaction, the same
> force applied by the headlamp to push the light beams is then also applied
> to the vehicle, pushing it back! Extra petrol is used to overcome the force
> applied by the headlamps.
For this very reason I've boosted the power of my taillights. They now
actually exceed the light beam power of the headlights, which is
unfortunate for anyone following me, but quite a boon for my fuel economy.
In fact, occasionally when the tank is running low, I'll rest my foot
lightly on the brake pedal just to get that little extra boost the brake
lights offer, to get me to the next fuel stop.
| ^Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool^ |
| Heath Raftery, HRSoftWorks _\|/_ |
From: Hammo on 7 Feb 2007 19:46
On 8/2/07 8:23 AM, in article 12skgrpblqagfc4(a)corp.supernews.com, "GB"
> Hammo <hbaj2006(a)aapt.net.au> wrote in news:C1F013D1.105AB%hbaj2006
>> PS I just tried it in my car and it used no fuel for the 10 minute I had
>> the lights on!
> How did the battery get charged up? Magic?
According to you it will be....
From: sharkey on 7 Feb 2007 20:59
F Murtz <haggisz(a)tpg.com.au> wrote:
> You get nothing for nothing
Actually, you can't even get nothing for nothing these days!
-----sharks (bloody thermodynamics)
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