From: G-S on
Hammo wrote:
>
> Hang on. You can't see that it *may* know about these things and you
> conclude that it *doesn't*.
>

I concluded that they *don't* know about these things because the block
diagrams for all of the ones I've looked at show they don't.

I admit it is conceivable that some units may have been designed the way
you say, but I haven't seen one.


G-S
From: G-S on
Hammo wrote:
>
> <geoff(a)castbus.com.au> wrote:
>> Hammo wrote:
>>> <knobdoodle(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> "Hammo" <hbaj2006(a)aapt.net.au> wrote in message
>>>>> <knobdoodle(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> "Hammo" <hbaj2006(a)aapt.net.au> wrote in message
>>>>>>> <knobdoodle(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> "Nev.." <idiot(a)mindless.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I think you've been reading too many physics books and you've lost
>>>>>>>>> sight
>>>>>>>>> of reality. Are you saying that if I measure something once per
>>>>>>>>> second
>>>>>>>>> and then multiply that by 3600 my result is not an accurate measure of
>>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>> hourly rate? Do you think the computer controlling the fuel rate just
>>>>>>>>> guesses?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No; it actuates the injector the exact amount that it's been told to
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> conditions it's measured.
>>>>>>>> It then displays the exact mpg (L/Hr, Km per kilojoule or whatever)
>>>>>>>> that's
>>>>>>>> it's been told to display too.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But it doesn't have any idea what a litre actually is and it certainly
>>>>>>>> doean't have any ability to actually measure one!
>>>>>>> Eh?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's measured, but it can't measure?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Quantify "measured".
>>>>> That is exactly what I am asking you to do!!
>>>>>
>>>> But I said it's NOT measured.
>>> Look up the page!! It measures things, so the sum of the measure must be
>>> something.
>>>
>> Some of the things it does are measured, others aren't. The result when
>> combined is effectivly an _estimate_.
>>
> ...and the Captain Obvious award goes to G-S.

Really? And it was so obvious that you missed the 'since Nev's unit is
estimating, and it isn't showing the real effect then it follows that
the estimate error is greater than the effect' that follows on from that?

> Is this where you wanna start talking about analytic measuring techniques
> and what is deemed to ISO, NATA and Aus Standards?

Still throwing red herrings Hammo I see :)


G-S

From: Nev.. on
jjw1937 wrote:
> G-S wrote:
>> Some of the things it does are measured, others aren't. The result
>> when combined is effectivly an _estimate_.
>>
>>
>> G-S
> P'raps Nev believes rules of physics are relative at our operating
> pressure, temperature, velocities and masses. That's fine if you're a
> school literature teacher but they are LAWS in our dimension for us
> science teachers.

I think you're drawing conclusions based on false assumptions.

Nev..
'04 CBR1100XX
From: Hammo on



On 10/2/07 4:26 PM, in article 12sqlsjkovn9h2c(a)corp.supernews.com, "G-S"
<geoff(a)castbus.com.au> wrote:

> Hammo wrote:
>>
>> <geoff(a)castbus.com.au> wrote:
>>> Hammo wrote:
>>>> <knobdoodle(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> "Hammo" <hbaj2006(a)aapt.net.au> wrote in message
>>>>>> <knobdoodle(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> "Hammo" <hbaj2006(a)aapt.net.au> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> <knobdoodle(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> "Nev.." <idiot(a)mindless.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> I think you've been reading too many physics books and you've lost
>>>>>>>>>> sight
>>>>>>>>>> of reality. Are you saying that if I measure something once per
>>>>>>>>>> second
>>>>>>>>>> and then multiply that by 3600 my result is not an accurate measure
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>>> hourly rate? Do you think the computer controlling the fuel rate
>>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>> guesses?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No; it actuates the injector the exact amount that it's been told to
>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> conditions it's measured.
>>>>>>>>> It then displays the exact mpg (L/Hr, Km per kilojoule or whatever)
>>>>>>>>> that's
>>>>>>>>> it's been told to display too.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But it doesn't have any idea what a litre actually is and it certainly
>>>>>>>>> doean't have any ability to actually measure one!
>>>>>>>> Eh?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's measured, but it can't measure?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Quantify "measured".
>>>>>> That is exactly what I am asking you to do!!
>>>>>>
>>>>> But I said it's NOT measured.
>>>> Look up the page!! It measures things, so the sum of the measure must be
>>>> something.
>>>>
>>> Some of the things it does are measured, others aren't. The result when
>>> combined is effectivly an _estimate_.
>>>
>> ...and the Captain Obvious award goes to G-S.
>
> Really? And it was so obvious that you missed the 'since Nev's unit is
> estimating, and it isn't showing the real effect then it follows that
> the estimate error is greater than the effect' that follows on from that?

Oh dear, do you also need a whhooossshhh to go with the Cpt Ob? All
measurement is going to inaccurate and is therefore an estimate. See below
re: Analytical measurement, ISO, NATA etc.....

Have you forgotten all that horrible stuff in labs where I'd generate a
number and also error bars showing the "tolerance" of that answer?

Did you miss Nev's point (or Theo's, or someone's) that the readout was 4
significant figures, which had had the potential to either show that 1)
there is no effect, or 2) it is so small more significant numbers were
required?

>> Is this where you wanna start talking about analytic measuring techniques
>> and what is deemed to ISO, NATA and Aus Standards?
>
> Still throwing red herrings Hammo I see :)

You can see things no-one else can, hmmmm.

....and what do they smell like?

Hammo

From: Johno on
On Sat, 10 Feb 2007 16:26:41 +1100, G-S <geoff(a)castbus.com.au> wrote:


Snipped loads....



>Still throwing red herrings Hammo I see :)
>
>
>G-S


Oi! GS... Don't knock it - you have nearly got your boat, ask Hammo
where the fishing spots are.

Johno

Beer with that red herring?


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