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From: Theo Bekkers on 14 Feb 2007 00:31
> No no no. Having an accurate measurement device for buses does not
> automatically make any other measurements automatically flawed. You
> have once again made an unsubstantiated allegation and pretended that
> it's true. You have yet to establish that the car measuring device is
> less sensitive or accurate, other than by merely saying that it is.
Come on Nev, it's a Holden.
From: Theo Bekkers on 14 Feb 2007 00:39
> Sorry to ruin the party boys....
> I don't know of too many machines that "idle" every where.
> Also, we were talking about headlights. Your calculation are now
> going to have to include the inefficiencies/resistance in _all_ those
> systems. (not to mention 12 v 24 volt systems). I can show huge
> differences in systems when I take values *generated* to create
> extreme circumstance in machines that operate differently to the
> original dimensions as well.
Do any of those systems generate power without using any fuel?
From: Theo Bekkers on 14 Feb 2007 00:43
> That would take 2 or three kilowatts off the engine and if you were
> shunting all that to earth you'd need a heatsink that would be as
> large and glow as cherry-red as a single-bar room-heater!
Nah, a single-bar room heater in only 1 Kw. I gues you can check if that
theory is correct by checking to see if there is any paint left on the
underside of the bonnet.
From: atec 77 ""atec77 " on 14 Feb 2007 01:05
Theo Bekkers wrote:
> jlittler(a)my-deja.com wrote:
>> Rooobish !! I'm appealing to a higher court.
>> Theo - there's nothing higher than an ivory tower, what say you ?!
> An ivory tower, by definition, towers over everything.
From: Hammo on 14 Feb 2007 02:37
On 14/2/07 1:18 PM, in article
bigiain-DB0328.13183714022007(a)nasal.pacific.net.au, "Iain Chalmers"
> In article <C1F8B385.26876%hbaj2006(a)aapt.net.au>,
> Hammo <hbaj2006(a)aapt.net.au> wrote:
>> Sorry to ruin the party boys....
>> I don't know of too many machines that "idle" every where.
> Look again Hammo, I don't even mention engine speed anywhere in my
> calculations, just energy used over time - I don't care if you idle your
> car for an hour or if you run it at redline in top gear up a hill for an
> hour, the headlights will use an extra ~0.12L either way...
No. Thanks for trying to bluff that one. Remember the discussion re:
GS mentioned speed as a way to suggest that the figures were in agreeance.
Perhaps you missed that? Perhaps you missed the 12 v vs 24 v comment as
>> Also, we were talking about headlights. Your calculation are now going to
>> have to include the inefficiencies/resistance in _all_ those systems.
> Fortunately, we don't actually have to concern ourselves there - if
> headlight globes were rated in lumens or candlepower we would, but
> they're actually rated in power consumed - a 60W globe has a 100%
> efficiency when measured in terms of how much power it consumes. (you're
> _really_ clutching at straws of you're trying to claim the voltage loss
> along the wires and connectors to the headlights is going to make any
> difference when I've already got +-40% error factors on there... But if
> you want to add it in, how about assuming a 1 volt loss which would
> change the power consumed from 60W to 55W for a total change of ~ 9% -
> call my errors +-50% if you want.)
Yeah, I mean, lets *not* consider efficiency..... Obfuscation ahoy!!
>> I can show huge differences in systems
>> when I take values *generated* to create extreme circumstance in machines
>> that operate differently to the original dimensions as well.
> Yep, I think my numbers on the Honda generators show that - they show
> it's something like 30% more efficient at full power than at 25% power.
> You were going to show us some calculations of your own Hammo, how'd you
> get on?
As I said, when I get home. I'm still 400 odd kays and coupla days from
BTW, I looked at your numbers again, as well as your assumptions, can you
tell me why you are getting the same consumption figure regardless of speed,
regardless of engine rpm?