From: zymurgy on
On Apr 8, 3:29 pm, "Pip" <gingerbl...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Donnie wrote:
> > Looking to learn to weld, not for any mad reason other than I have a
> > Sealey Supermig 235 welder
>
> > What I have noticed is that apparantly you can get £100 ish Gasless
> > mig welders, so im thinking get a few hundred for the big one, spend
> > £100 on the small one and have some cash in my pocket then learn to
> > weld :-)
>
> Gasless welding is all right for farmers who need to stick two bits of
> mild steel to a tractor out in the wind, but fuckall use to somebody
> who wants a decent-looking job on thin metal.
>
> If you desperately want to try gasless welding, buy a gas/no-gas unit
> and give it a go.  You'll buy a bottle of gas and thank me.

TBQH, one welder doesn't fit all.

I interchangeably use MIG (with gas) , Arc/Stick welding and Oxy/Acet
Gas.

The Oxy/Acet is preferred for most sheet steel welding, as it's just
so controlled, and you get good heating of the job and good
penetration (oo err). I even fixed me exhaust with it.

(beware amatuer welding ahead :)

http://img262.imageshack.us/i/1sttacks.jpg/
http://img262.imageshack.us/i/cleanerup.jpg/
http://img228.imageshack.us/i/lastfillet.jpg/
http://img245.imageshack.us/i/doner.jpg/

Arc/Stick is good for gates, where overall strength isn't an issue, or
for trailers where neatness isn't and mig is good where you don't want
to heat up the surrounding metal too much (i.e. if you're welding near
car paintwork etc.

Cheers,

Paul.
From: Nicknoxx on
On 08/04/2010 15:29, Pip wrote:
> snip
>
> As to learning to weld, wait till September and sign up for a night/two
> night-a-week college course. That's what I did and it turned out to be
> a very easy way to do it: competent tutors, loads of decent gear and
> the materials are all in the (relatively) cheap price. And a good
> excuse to go to the pub on the way home to "lay the dust".
>
> There was a huge age range, which is apparently typical: ranging from
> the apprentice kiddies who need a welding ticket to old farts doing it
> to fill in time before they die and others who just wanted to learn how
> to stick metal together.
>

That's exactly my experience, and very good it was too.
From: Grimly Curmudgeon on
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember crn(a)NOSPAM.netunix.com saying
something like:

>In my experience the thing to look out for is a Euro-Torch.
>These are normally found on more expensive units and have replaceable
>liners and standard interchangeable tips. This bit of quality makes
>a big difference, the cheaper ones are basically designed down to a
>price. Nothing makes welding more difficult than a jerky or
>unreliable wire feed.

I agree; you occasionally get them on the middling units and well worth
the extra.
From: Andy Bonwick on
On Fri, 9 Apr 2010 01:32:56 +0100, "Beav"
<beavis.original(a)ntlwoxorld.com> wrote:

snip>

>Don't get a gassless one. They're really shite. Now if you can get enough
>cash to bet a TIG welder, it's what I'd do. TIG is much more versdatile and
>welding ally is more "do-able" too and you'll find that lots of bike related
>welding would be alloy.
>
This bit is 100% true (I've ignored the MIG monkey discussions) and
the bonus with a lot of TIG sets is that you can do MMA with them as
well.