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From: The Wearin' o' the Green on 15 Feb 2010 15:12
A while back, in "Re: Hard decision - choosing a bike"
you wrote some unflattering things about the Hinckley
Triumph Scrambler, including:

> Horrible, antiseptic, odd steering, slow,
> just *nasty*

Meanwhile I'm planning to build a Bonneville around
an '07 Scrambler frame, and -- assuming no frame geometry
changes between '07 and '09 [?] -- I found the following
comparative specs [on www.totalmotorcycle.com]:

Rake [degrees] / Trail [mm] / Wheelbase [mm]

'09 Bonneville 27/106/1453
'09 Scrambler 27.8/105/1500

I'm no expert on the effects of steering geometry
on handling so I need to ask - how significant are
these differences? Will I always have "odd steering"?
IOW is this whole project doomed to disappointment.

Any help appreciated
TIA, SQ
'06 Zuk S40 / '85 Dnepr MT-11 / various salvage cases
From: The Older Gentleman on 17 Feb 2010 05:54
The Wearin' o' the Green <no.spam(a)no.spam> wrote:

> 'm no expert on the effects of steering geometry
> on handling so I need to ask - how significant are
> these differences? Will I always have "odd steering"?
> IOW is this whole project doomed to disappointment.

IMO the wheel/tyre/riding position choice plays a significant part in
the Scrambler's oddness.


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From: The Older Gentleman on 17 Feb 2010 06:48
The Wearin' o' the Green <no.spam(a)no.spam> wrote:

>
> Rake [degrees] / Trail [mm] / Wheelbase [mm]
>
> '09 Bonneville 27/106/1453
> '09 Scrambler 27.8/105/1500

More rake, fractionally less trail, but a whopping increase in
wheelbase.

Should make for something significantly less reluctant to turn. My guess
is they first experimented by bolting trail wheels and high wide bars
onto a standard Bonneville frame, wound up with something a bit twitchy
due to the altered weight distribution (to say nothing of the change in
wheels) and thought: "Hm, we need to calm this thing down a bit."



--
BMW K1100LT Ducati 750SS Triumph Street Triple Honda CB400F
Suzuki TS250 Suzuki GN250 chateaudotmurrayatidnetdotcom
Nothing damages a machine more than an ignoramus with a manual, a
can-do attitude and a set of cheap tools
From: TOG on 24 Feb 2010 05:08
On 15 Feb, 20:12, The Wearin' o' the Green <no.s...(a)no.spam> wrote:
> A while back, in "Re: Hard decision - choosing a bike"
> you wrote some unflattering things about the Hinckley
> Triumph Scrambler, including:
>
>  > Horrible, antiseptic, odd steering, slow,
>  > just *nasty*
>
> Meanwhile I'm planning to build a Bonneville around
> an '07 Scrambler frame, and -- assuming no frame geometry
> changes between '07 and '09 [?] -- I found the following
> comparative specs [onwww.totalmotorcycle.com]:
>
<snip>

Just out of interest, how is this project coming along now?
From: Grimly Curmudgeon on 24 Feb 2010 06:51
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "TOG(a)Toil"
<totallydeadmailbox(a)yahoo.co.uk> saying something like:

>Just out of interest, how is this project coming along now?

It's only twelve days ago.
Just about long enough to decide on what spanners to use.
Time slows down on a rebuild /special.
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