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From: Lars Chance on 7 Jan 2010 22:16 theo wrote: > > There are many people who don't commute by car, and many people who > don't have employment, including myself. You also appear to be > expecting people to commute 6 days a week. Surely five is more common. > If allowing for 20,000 kms, the total cost would increase to $15,000 > of which your addtional $0.50/l will be $1,000. Still only 6.7% > increase. > Also, many families have 2 cars but only one does the commute while the other just does the short-hop school, shopping etc. -- Elsie.
From: G-S on 8 Jan 2010 06:25 CrazyCam wrote: > G-S wrote: >> CrazyCam wrote: >>> >>> Scooters, pushies and walking, yup, I'll believe, but you have to be >>> joking about car-pooling and public transport. >>> >> >> Public transport in and around Melbourne and across the state of >> victoria is showing consistent growth of between 4% and 8% depending >> upon location and mode. >> >> With those sorts of growth rates sustained (and they have been for >> some years now) it isn't long before we'll start to see noticable >> pattern shifts. > > Dunno about Vic, Geoff, but up in Sydney public transport is a complete > joke. > > It's badly run, unreliable and over crowded. > > Any extra load, as in more users, and the whole system will likely > collapse. > > regards, > CrazyCam The vic government have their faults and so does our public transport system but putting over a billion dollars into increasing the size and frequency and coverage of the system is showing benefits. Build it and they shall come... G-S
From: G-S on 8 Jan 2010 06:29 D Walford wrote: > G-S wrote: >> CrazyCam wrote: >>> >>> Scooters, pushies and walking, yup, I'll believe, but you have to be >>> joking about car-pooling and public transport. >>> >> >> Public transport in and around Melbourne and across the state of >> victoria is showing consistent growth of between 4% and 8% depending >> upon location and mode. >> >> With those sorts of growth rates sustained (and they have been for >> some years now) it isn't long before we'll start to see noticable >> pattern shifts. > > Not likely when you factor in population increases which has as much to > do with the increased PT use as anything else. > For PT transport to have much effect on car use in Melbourne the State > Govt needs to spend mega bucks improving rail infrastructure. > I've lived in Melb's outer West for 30yrs and in that time there hasn't > been any infrastructure improvements. > The state government have put 500 new bus routes into outer suburbs in the last 18 months and many of those new routes are in the outer west. And those routes are showing growth at the high end of the range I mentioned in the earlier post. Buses and bus stops and bus interchanges at railway stations ARE infrastructure just as much as light and heavy rail are. G-S
From: D Walford on 8 Jan 2010 06:54 G-S wrote: > D Walford wrote: >> G-S wrote: >>> CrazyCam wrote: >>>> >>>> Scooters, pushies and walking, yup, I'll believe, but you have to be >>>> joking about car-pooling and public transport. >>>> >>> >>> Public transport in and around Melbourne and across the state of >>> victoria is showing consistent growth of between 4% and 8% depending >>> upon location and mode. >>> >>> With those sorts of growth rates sustained (and they have been for >>> some years now) it isn't long before we'll start to see noticable >>> pattern shifts. >> >> Not likely when you factor in population increases which has as much >> to do with the increased PT use as anything else. >> For PT transport to have much effect on car use in Melbourne the State >> Govt needs to spend mega bucks improving rail infrastructure. >> I've lived in Melb's outer West for 30yrs and in that time there >> hasn't been any infrastructure improvements. >> > > The state government have put 500 new bus routes into outer suburbs in > the last 18 months and many of those new routes are in the outer west. > > And those routes are showing growth at the high end of the range I > mentioned in the earlier post. > > Buses and bus stops and bus interchanges at railway stations ARE > infrastructure just as much as light and heavy rail are. > We were talking about rail and no Govt has done a thing to upgrade infrastructure on the Melton, Bacchus Marsh line. FFS its one of the fastest growing area's of Melb but its still serviced by a single rail line which isn't electrified. If there are any increase in bus service's they are insignificant as the main problem is the service to and from the city which is very poor. Daryl
From: G-S on 8 Jan 2010 20:56
D Walford wrote: > G-S wrote: >> D Walford wrote: >>> G-S wrote: >>>> CrazyCam wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Scooters, pushies and walking, yup, I'll believe, but you have to >>>>> be joking about car-pooling and public transport. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Public transport in and around Melbourne and across the state of >>>> victoria is showing consistent growth of between 4% and 8% depending >>>> upon location and mode. >>>> >>>> With those sorts of growth rates sustained (and they have been for >>>> some years now) it isn't long before we'll start to see noticable >>>> pattern shifts. >>> >>> Not likely when you factor in population increases which has as much >>> to do with the increased PT use as anything else. >>> For PT transport to have much effect on car use in Melbourne the >>> State Govt needs to spend mega bucks improving rail infrastructure. >>> I've lived in Melb's outer West for 30yrs and in that time there >>> hasn't been any infrastructure improvements. >>> >> >> The state government have put 500 new bus routes into outer suburbs in >> the last 18 months and many of those new routes are in the outer west. >> >> And those routes are showing growth at the high end of the range I >> mentioned in the earlier post. >> >> Buses and bus stops and bus interchanges at railway stations ARE >> infrastructure just as much as light and heavy rail are. >> > > We were talking about rail and no Govt has done a thing to upgrade > infrastructure on the Melton, Bacchus Marsh line. > FFS its one of the fastest growing area's of Melb but its still serviced > by a single rail line which isn't electrified. > If there are any increase in bus service's they are insignificant as the > main problem is the service to and from the city which is very poor. > At no time in the quotes above was Rail defined specifically as the only mode under discussion. I repeat Bus transport IS infrastructure, and I don't call over 500 new routes insignificant. And many of the more major routes in those increases are not just shuttle services to stations and shopping centres, seom are in fact link services traveling from suburb to city or hub to hub. G-S |