From: BryanUT on
I go to work pretty early, so I am stuck at an intersection, waiting,
waiting, waiting. So I make a right on red, uturn and another right on
red. Is that beating the system?

I guess I could have just run the red light. Damn sensors not "seeing"
motorcycles. No wonder cages hit us.

Buses are your friend, they can signal the light to change, I wonder
how hard that is to hack. Hmmm, my friend works for the bus
company.....
From: Mark Olson on
BryanUT wrote:
> I go to work pretty early, so I am stuck at an intersection, waiting,
> waiting, waiting. So I make a right on red, uturn and another right on
> red. Is that beating the system?
>
> I guess I could have just run the red light. Damn sensors not "seeing"
> motorcycles. No wonder cages hit us.
>
> Buses are your friend, they can signal the light to change, I wonder
> how hard that is to hack. Hmmm, my friend works for the bus
> company.....

In my state (MN) motorcycles are allowed to run a red light in that
situation IF you wait long enough without getting noticed by the sensor.

169.06 SIGNS, SIGNALS, MARKINGS.

Subd. 9.Affirmative defense relating to unchanging traffic-control signal. (a) A person operating a motorcycle who violates subdivision 4 by entering or crossing an intersection controlled by a traffic-control signal against a red light has an affirmative defense to that charge if the person
establishes all of the following conditions:

(1) the motorcycle has been brought to a complete stop;

(2) the traffic-control signal continues to show a red light for an unreasonable time;

(3) the traffic-control signal is apparently malfunctioning or, if programmed or engineered to change to a green light only after detecting the approach of a motor vehicle, the signal has apparently failed to detect the arrival of the motorcycle; and

(4) no motor vehicle or person is approaching on the street or highway to be crossed or entered or is so far away from the intersection that it does not constitute an immediate hazard.

(b) The affirmative defense in this subdivision applies only to a violation for entering or crossing an intersection controlled by a traffic-control signal against a red light and does not provide a defense to any other civil or criminal action.


From: Capri142 on
On Jul 6, 8:51 pm, BryanUT <nestl...(a)comcast.net> wrote:
> I go to work pretty early, so I am stuck at an intersection, waiting,
> waiting, waiting. So I make a right on red, uturn and another right on
> red. Is that beating the system?
>
> I guess I could have just run the red light. Damn sensors not "seeing"
> motorcycles. No wonder cages hit us.
>
> Buses are your friend, they can signal the light to change, I wonder
> how hard that is to hack.  Hmmm, my friend works for the bus
> company.....

I had the same problem with a Yamaha 950. there were 2 lights on the
way to and
from work that just would not change from red to green for me.
Solution. I bought a
large flat magnet at ACE hardware for 5 bucks and epoxy glued it to
the bottom of the bike. When
stopping at the light I would place the magnet in the area of the
sensor wire in the road
and I never had a problem with it again. I think you need to be
careful where you place
the magnet on the bike so that it does not screw up any electonics. I
put mine right on
the skid plate below the oil pan, figured if anything it may have
pulled some metal out
of the oil.....or not
From: Rob Kleinschmidt on
On Jul 6, 4:51 pm, BryanUT <nestl...(a)comcast.net> wrote:
> I go to work pretty early, so I am stuck at an intersection, waiting,
> waiting, waiting. So I make a right on red, uturn and another right on
> red. Is that beating the system?
>
> I guess I could have just run the red light. Damn sensors not "seeing"
> motorcycles. No wonder cages hit us.
>
> Buses are your friend, they can signal the light to change, I wonder
> how hard that is to hack.  Hmmm, my friend works for the bus
> company.....

Some sensors at least have a sweet spot that'll trigger
them. Local cities will often have a paint marker on the
sweet spot so bicyclists can trigger the signal.

In a smaller upscale town, I've also had some success
calling and talking to the person responsible for traffic
light problems and getting the sensitivity of a particular
light adjusted.

From: Bill Vanek on
On Tue, 6 Jul 2010 17:51:26 -0700 (PDT), BryanUT
<nestle12(a)comcast.net> wrote:

>I go to work pretty early, so I am stuck at an intersection, waiting,
>waiting, waiting. So I make a right on red, uturn and another right on
>red. Is that beating the system?
>
>I guess I could have just run the red light. Damn sensors not "seeing"
>motorcycles. No wonder cages hit us.
>
>Buses are your friend, they can signal the light to change, I wonder
>how hard that is to hack. Hmmm, my friend works for the bus
>company.....

If you can see the cuts in the pavement, the corners are the most
sensitive part.