The old horey "lane splitting"
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From: atec 7 7 "atec on 23 Dec 2009 15:08 Driving home yesterday about 4pm just south of Clamavale moving at the normal traffic speed, a bike ( large jap) lane split at least 100% faster than my road speed heading same direction south accelerating quite rapidly Maybe I am getting old but that sort of behaviour no matter the reason on a loud bike is either going to kep a rider injured or dead ? I will admit to be startled once he had passed leaving a lot of noise in his wake
From: BT Humble on 23 Dec 2009 18:07 Kevin Gleeson wrote: > But a bike's ability to outperform a car when needed is a safety > factor I reckon. I know a lot will disagree, especially those in blue > uniforms. Oh no, he's started another "power my way out of trouble" thread! The "loud pipes save lives" one will be arriving any minute! Flee, you fools! BTH
From: Kevin Gleeson on 23 Dec 2009 18:29 On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 15:07:31 -0800 (PST), BT Humble <bt(a)humbletown.org> wrote: >Kevin Gleeson wrote: >> But a bike's ability to outperform a car when needed is a safety >> factor I reckon. I know a lot will disagree, especially those in blue >> uniforms. > >Oh no, he's started another "power my way out of trouble" thread! The >"loud pipes save lives" one will be arriving any minute! > >Flee, you fools! Nah disagree with the loud pipes. But I want to power out of the situation at times.
From: Zebee Johnstone on 23 Dec 2009 18:40 In aus.motorcycles on Wed, 23 Dec 2009 22:00:50 GMT Kevin Gleeson <kevingleeson(a)imagine-it.com.au> wrote: > > I normally only ever lane split in stopped traffic or crawling > traffic. Were you in the latter or were you at indicated speed limit. > If traffic was slow, go for it I reckon. But you have to be aware that > cars that are crawling through heavy traffic are often populated by > drivers that are bored and not paying as much attention as they would > be at normal speed limits. You takes your chances. And yeah, if I was Well... most drivers who are moving above a walking pace are pretty good at not deviating in the lane. It's fairly hard to do in fact as the car tends to go straight unless you move the wheel a chunk. They aren't going to deliberately move in their lane unless there's a reason. That reason is usually them wanting to move from one lane to another which they don't do unless there's a gap. So if you are in a stream of traffic that has no gaps the cars aren't going to move and you can split them as safely as splitting ever is. Of course this means you need to be sure there are no gaps, not just ones you think are gaps but ones everyone else thinks are gaps. Then you have to have a plan if someone does start moving. HOw much time and room do you need at the speed you are going? We don't have figures for crashes that happened while someone was lanesplitting. I do know they happen, but all the ones I've heard of have been in stopped traffic where the traffic has stopped with enough room for a right turning car to turn across the stream, a car has done so, and collected a moving bike. I know personally of 2 such crashes. One caught a lanesplitter and one caught a rider legitimately riding as the only vehicle in the kerbside lane. (It was the right turn only lane that was full and let the turning car through) Make of that what you will.... Zebee
From: George W Frost on 23 Dec 2009 19:00
"Zebee Johnstone" <zebeej(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:slrnhj5aiv.898.zebeej(a)gmail.com... > In aus.motorcycles on Wed, 23 Dec 2009 22:00:50 GMT > Kevin Gleeson <kevingleeson(a)imagine-it.com.au> wrote: >> >> I normally only ever lane split in stopped traffic or crawling >> traffic. Were you in the latter or were you at indicated speed limit. >> If traffic was slow, go for it I reckon. But you have to be aware that >> cars that are crawling through heavy traffic are often populated by >> drivers that are bored and not paying as much attention as they would >> be at normal speed limits. You takes your chances. And yeah, if I was > > Well... > > most drivers who are moving above a walking pace are pretty good at > not deviating in the lane. It's fairly hard to do in fact as the car > tends to go straight unless you move the wheel a chunk. > > They aren't going to deliberately move in their lane unless there's a > reason. That reason is usually them wanting to move from one lane to > another which they don't do unless there's a gap. > > So if you are in a stream of traffic that has no gaps the cars aren't > going to move and you can split them as safely as splitting ever is. > > Of course this means you need to be sure there are no gaps, not just > ones you think are gaps but ones everyone else thinks are gaps. > > Then you have to have a plan if someone does start moving. HOw much > time and room do you need at the speed you are going? > > We don't have figures for crashes that happened while someone was > lanesplitting. > > I do know they happen, but all the ones I've heard of have been in > stopped traffic where the traffic has stopped with enough room for a > right turning car to turn across the stream, a car has done so, and > collected a moving bike. > > I know personally of 2 such crashes. One caught a lanesplitter and > one caught a rider legitimately riding as the only vehicle in the > kerbside lane. (It was the right turn only lane that was full and let > the turning car through) Been there, done that, he weas in the right hand lane which was blocked with traffic, I was in the left hand lane which was virtually clear finished up in hospital with a fucked back, couldn't walk for weeks the driver got off any charge because he told the copper he was a doctor and he would treat me it was outside the Blackburn Hotel and he didn't even treat me to a beer, > > Make of that what you will.... > > Zebee |