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From: CrazyCam on 14 Oct 2009 16:20 Bill_h wrote: <snip> > Doug, a question. IIRC you're using tuneboy on the trumpy, any good? Hi Bill, forgive me diving in, but I use TuneBoy on my Street Triple, so I thought I'd throw in my two cents worth. It's a good bit of programming, but it has it's little quirks. If you "fiddle" with bikes, then it is useful, but can, at times, be frustrating. So far, in less than two years of owning the Striple, I have had a couple of dyno sessions, to adjust the fuel mapping. The first session was to adjust the TOR mapping, which I had loaded to the ECU using TuneBoy, and the dyno operator, who knew about TuneBoy, used it to adjust the fuelling. At that point, I had made no alterations to the standard WRT exhaust, or anything else relating to the engine. The second session on the dyno was yesterday, to re-adjust the mapping to suit a modified exhaust system. Other than those sessions, I have downloaded mapping twice myself, both times, adjusting the constant used for speed calculations, so that I have, or rather, had an accurate speedo. The constant got blown away yesterday, because of the quirkiness of TuneBoy. As far as I can figure out, once TuneBoy is safely installed on your laptop, you can start it up by the normal double click on desktop icon, but, if you happen to select a mapping file, and click on that, TuneBoy takes it to be a desire to install, or re-install TuneBoy. :-| Once you start a re-install, you are doomed to do a full "remove", clean up of registry, then fresh install. Support is pretty much non-existent from TuneBoy, he rarely answers e-mails or phone calls, but there are various experts on Triumph (and other) fora who can usually help out. One interesting thing that the dyno gentleman mentioned to me, yesterday, was that it seems Triumph are sufficiently pissed off about TuneBoy that they are laying traps within the ECU to make TuneBoy's reloading of programming harder. If one of these traps are tripped, the bike just won't start, or do anything. Don't know, but assume, this may only affect newer models. Some of the usefulness of TuneBoy is related to the model of bike involved, some models have more limitations coded into the ECU than others..... Rocket III being the classic, that I know of. Hope this helps. regards, CrazyCam
From: Toosmoky on 14 Oct 2009 19:07 CrazyCam wrote: > Support is pretty much non-existent from TuneBoy, he rarely answers > e-mails or phone calls, but there are various experts on Triumph (and > other) fora who can usually help out. http://www.triumphtorque.com/ (formerly T595.net) > One interesting thing that the dyno gentleman mentioned to me, > yesterday, was that it seems Triumph are sufficiently pissed off about > TuneBoy that they are laying traps within the ECU to make TuneBoy's > reloading of programming harder. If one of these traps are tripped, the > bike just won't start, or do anything. > > Don't know, but assume, this may only affect newer models. Sounds a bit like an Urban Legend. Mine is one of the older ones though... > Some of the usefulness of TuneBoy is related to the model of bike > involved, some models have more limitations coded into the ECU than > others..... Rocket III being the classic, that I know of. I figure it'd be more compatible with the T595/955i as that's the first bike they were designed for. -- Toosmoky Work to ride, Ride to Work... http://users.tpg.com.au/smokey61/cafe
From: CrazyCam on 15 Oct 2009 00:31 Toosmoky wrote: > CrazyCam wrote: <snip> >> One interesting thing that the dyno gentleman mentioned to me, >> yesterday, was that it seems Triumph are sufficiently pissed off about >> TuneBoy that they are laying traps within the ECU to make TuneBoy's >> reloading of programming harder. If one of these traps are tripped, >> the bike just won't start, or do anything. >> >> Don't know, but assume, this may only affect newer models. > > Sounds a bit like an Urban Legend. Mine is one of the older ones though... That's what I thought too, but, Roger, the guy who told me this, knows Wayne (Mr.TuneBoy) and Roger was one of the first dyno operators to use TuneBoy, with Wayne standing beside him, showing him how to work it, so.... >> Some of the usefulness of TuneBoy is related to the model of bike >> involved, some models have more limitations coded into the ECU than >> others..... Rocket III being the classic, that I know of. > > I figure it'd be more compatible with the T595/955i as that's the first > bike they were designed for. Yeah, well the TuneBoy.exe does come up with 955 dash on it. :-) I actually meant that the Rocket III, from the shop, has programming which sez stuff like, if in 1st, 2nd or 3rd gear, and the rider asks for full throttle, ignore him/her, and only give them 40% throttle. I think it also decides that something like 210 kph is quite enough for anyone, although it can be retrained from this bad habit by use of TuneBoy. ;-) as you say in another post:- "From memory the cable isn't that expensive but the licence is and is unique to each ECU. You're welcome to borrow the cable and USB adaptor anytime if you want to save yourself a few bucks." Yup. $200 seems to be the going price for a key, which is coded to the ECU identity, thus one key works for one ECU, on several copies of TuneBoy. Cable and software, IIRC was another $200. I,too, have the cable and software, and I too am prepared to lend/help/whatever anyone who wants to only pay for the key, and live in the Sydney area. N.B. the USB cable I have is the proper one for Triumphs, it may, or may not work for other makes of bikes. regards, CrazyCam
From: Toosmoky on 15 Oct 2009 01:55 CrazyCam wrote: > That's what I thought too, but, Roger, the guy who told me this, knows > Wayne (Mr.TuneBoy) and Roger was one of the first dyno operators to use > TuneBoy, with Wayne standing beside him, showing him how to work it, so.... Urban Legend rather than Urban Myth then... ; ) > Yup. $200 seems to be the going price for a key, which is coded to the > ECU identity, thus one key works for one ECU, on several copies of TuneBoy. > > Cable and software, IIRC was another $200. Just checked the site. I thought it was $100 for the cable, $400 for the licence key/unlock code. Software free. It's been a while... It is $199 for the key. Great! $200 less than I thought... : ) > N.B. the USB cable I have is the proper one for Triumphs, it may, > or may not work for other makes of bikes. Tuneboy.com.au sell adaptors for other makes for $49 each. -- Toosmoky Work to ride, Ride to Work... http://users.tpg.com.au/smokey61/cafe
From: Nev.. on 15 Oct 2009 03:24
Toosmoky wrote: > CrazyCam wrote: > >> That's what I thought too, but, Roger, the guy who told me this, knows >> Wayne (Mr.TuneBoy) and Roger was one of the first dyno operators to >> use TuneBoy, with Wayne standing beside him, showing him how to work >> it, so.... > > Urban Legend rather than Urban Myth then... ; ) > >> Yup. $200 seems to be the going price for a key, which is coded to the >> ECU identity, thus one key works for one ECU, on several copies of >> TuneBoy. >> >> Cable and software, IIRC was another $200. > > Just checked the site. I thought it was $100 for the cable, $400 for the > licence key/unlock code. Software free. It's been a while... It is $199 > for the key. Great! $200 less than I thought... : ) > > > N.B. the USB cable I have is the proper one for Triumphs, it may, > > or may not work for other makes of bikes. > > Tuneboy.com.au sell adaptors for other makes for $49 each. When I had the Buell, there was a bloke making USB adapters to fit the service plug for $50 (easy to make cable's but more trouble than it's worth hard to get the right plug because there only seemed to be one supplier in the world selling them retail online) There was some software which was an ongoing collaborative effort between some of the more skilled programmers among the worldwide Buell community which was a free download. I never bothered to do any tuning with it, but as I learned after a short time as an owner, any time there is any sort of issue with the way the bike is running, the first thing to do was reset the TPS. 2 min job with the cable and software and seemed to be the resolution of most issues. Nev.. '08 DL1000K8 |