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From: Moike on 27 Oct 2009 16:27 Lars Chance wrote: > Sorry for the repost people. > > Some of us don't mind being reminded. Moike ('79 R100RS)
From: G-S on 28 Oct 2009 05:11 Lars Chance wrote: >> > I can't find a LeMans 1200 (do they even exist?) but the 1200 Griso > (with the 4V head) > http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/PhotoGallerys/xlarge/09_hd_guzzi.jpg > > leads the 1200 Bandit until about 3700 then falls into a rather large > hole just as the Bandit starts coming on strong > http://www.factorypro.com/images/dyno_chart_s7410.jpg A couple of points. I mentioned in an earlier post that you can't directly compare results from one dyno with another dyno because they aren't calibrated. Secondly you are ignoring gearing, the Bandit is stronger at slower speeds because it's got a lower first gear. How do I know? Well I currently ride and own a 1200 Moto Guzzi and I've owned 3 separate Suzuki Bandit 1200's (although at the moment I have a Suzuki 1100). Believe me, the Bandit DOES have more torque down low and will pull away from the guzzi at any speed you care to name. But the Guzzi FEELS much nicer :) G-S
From: Zebee Johnstone on 28 Oct 2009 05:31 In aus.motorcycles on Wed, 28 Oct 2009 20:11:50 +1100 G-S <geoff(a)castbus.com.au> wrote: > Lars Chance wrote: >>> >> I can't find a LeMans 1200 (do they even exist?) but the 1200 Griso >> (with the 4V head) >> http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/PhotoGallerys/xlarge/09_hd_guzzi.jpg >> >> leads the 1200 Bandit until about 3700 then falls into a rather large >> hole just as the Bandit starts coming on strong >> http://www.factorypro.com/images/dyno_chart_s7410.jpg > > > Well I currently ride and own a 1200 Moto Guzzi and I've owned 3 > separate Suzuki Bandit 1200's (although at the moment I have a Suzuki 1100). > > Believe me, the Bandit DOES have more torque down low and will pull away > from the guzzi at any speed you care to name. > > But the Guzzi FEELS much nicer :) And looks nicer too! I also note that pretty well everyone who rides the new 4V Guzzis says they lack down low. Zebee
From: Lars Chance on 28 Oct 2009 06:40 Zebee Johnstone wrote: > In aus.motorcycles on Wed, 28 Oct 2009 20:11:50 +1100 > G-S <geoff(a)castbus.com.au> wrote: >> Lars Chance wrote: >>> I can't find a LeMans 1200 (do they even exist?) but the 1200 Griso >>> (with the 4V head) >>> http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/PhotoGallerys/xlarge/09_hd_guzzi.jpg >>> >>> leads the 1200 Bandit until about 3700 then falls into a rather large >>> hole just as the Bandit starts coming on strong >>> http://www.factorypro.com/images/dyno_chart_s7410.jpg >> >> Well I currently ride and own a 1200 Moto Guzzi and I've owned 3 >> separate Suzuki Bandit 1200's (although at the moment I have a Suzuki 1100). >> >> Believe me, the Bandit DOES have more torque down low and will pull away >> from the guzzi at any speed you care to name. >> >> But the Guzzi FEELS much nicer :) > > And looks nicer too! > > I also note that pretty well everyone who rides the new 4V Guzzis > says they lack down low. > I don't know anything about them and I've never ridden one so I've only got opinions and graphs to assess it by. I'll take graphs thanks Eddie. -- Elsie.
From: G-S on 29 Oct 2009 07:34
Lars Chance wrote: > Zebee Johnstone wrote: >> In aus.motorcycles on Wed, 28 Oct 2009 20:11:50 +1100 >> G-S <geoff(a)castbus.com.au> wrote: >>> Lars Chance wrote: >>>> I can't find a LeMans 1200 (do they even exist?) but the 1200 Griso >>>> (with the 4V head) >>>> http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/PhotoGallerys/xlarge/09_hd_guzzi.jpg >>>> >>>> leads the 1200 Bandit until about 3700 then falls into a rather large >>>> hole just as the Bandit starts coming on strong >>>> http://www.factorypro.com/images/dyno_chart_s7410.jpg >>> >>> Well I currently ride and own a 1200 Moto Guzzi and I've owned 3 >>> separate Suzuki Bandit 1200's (although at the moment I have a Suzuki >>> 1100). >>> >>> Believe me, the Bandit DOES have more torque down low and will pull >>> away from the guzzi at any speed you care to name. >>> >>> But the Guzzi FEELS much nicer :) >> >> And looks nicer too! >> >> I also note that pretty well everyone who rides the new 4V Guzzis >> says they lack down low. >> > I don't know anything about them and I've never ridden one so I've only > got opinions and graphs to assess it by. > I'll take graphs thanks Eddie. > Why would you believe graphs over someones tested experience when it's already been explained that graphs from different dyno's can't be directly compared because dynos aren't calibrated? G-S |