From: Lars Chance on
bikerbetty wrote:
> "Lars Chance" <lars.chance(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:kJwGn.24363$pv.159(a)news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>> Moike wrote:
>>> Nev.. wrote:
>>>> I think leaning the body and keeping the bike upright is a better
>>>> cornering policy for gravel road.
>>>>
>>> Why?
>>>
>> For me it's the (perhaps) misguided belief that a tyre is elliptical and
>> thus have more contact/grip when vertical.

>
> I've been reading this thread conscientiously, and taking in everything
> people have said about riding on gravel, and you know what? It seems there
> are so many dfferent opinions about the best approach that I am going to
> just take my own bloody advice and avoid gravel altogether - a policy that
> has served me well over the years.
>
Inarguably a good conclusion also.

--
Elsie.
From: Boxer on

"atec7 7" <""atec77\"@ hotmail.com"> wrote in message
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> Oh and fish oil glucosamine and panadol oesteo
> wont cure but it does help

"Panadol Osteo"

Not just for Breakfast.

Boxer


From: CrazyCam on
Boxer wrote:

<snip>

> When one hits deep sand/bulldust/gravel buttoning off the throttle is a
> great way to bin it, standing up weight to the rear and rolling on the
> throttle is the only way to get through it.

Agreed! ...but, you do need to have some place to go, preferably, in a
straight line.

For the situation that started this, that wasn't actually an valid
option for betty, or most of the rest of us, on road bikes, riding on a
gravel road.

> Whilst it seems scary (and I can tell you at 120 kph it is) the alternative
> is a face plant.

<shrug> There you have it.

Most folk, riding on road bikes, on a dodgy and unknown dirt road,
probably wouldn't have been doing anything within a bull's road of 120kph.

I tend to agree with Gerry, that kind of thing is nudging up there
towards the Dakar style of thing, or at least the serious end of
"adventure" riding.

regards,
CrazyCam
From: George W Frost on

"CrazyCam" <CrazyCam(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
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> Boxer wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> Most folk, riding on road bikes, on a dodgy and unknown dirt road,
> probably wouldn't have been doing anything within a bull's road of 120kph.


It may be bulldust, but, within a bulls road??
or was that an FFS moment?

> I tend to agree with Gerry, that kind of thing is nudging up there towards
> the Dakar style of thing, or at least the serious end of "adventure"
> riding.
>
> regards,
> CrazyCam

Faaarrrrkk
someone finally agreeing with Gerry
you been drinking too much of that muddy watery stuff that Johno tries to
give away??


From: Peter on
CrazyCam <CrazyCam(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote in
news:4becf0aa$0$7966$afc38c87(a)news.optusnet.com.au:

> Boxer wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> When one hits deep sand/bulldust/gravel buttoning off the throttle is
>> a great way to bin it, standing up weight to the rear and rolling on
>> the throttle is the only way to get through it.
>
> Agreed! ...but, you do need to have some place to go, preferably, in
> a straight line.
>


If you can go straight then braking is an option.
It is unwise to brake with the front if there is little to no traction
and you are turning.




> For the situation that started this, that wasn't actually an valid
> option for betty, or most of the rest of us, on road bikes, riding on
> a gravel road.


Yes it was....... depending on speed, fatigue confidence, soup
balance........


>
>> Whilst it seems scary (and I can tell you at 120 kph it is) the
>> alternative is a face plant.
>
> <shrug> There you have it.
>
> Most folk, riding on road bikes, on a dodgy and unknown dirt road,
> probably wouldn't have been doing anything within a bull's road of
> 120kph.


You have to ride for the conditions and the motorcycle and also how you
are feeling........
Your point?


>
> I tend to agree with Gerry, that kind of thing is nudging up there
> towards the Dakar style of thing, or at least the serious end of
> "adventure" riding.

Maybe but nothing else changes.
I imagine it would be difficult for most to stand and ride on a SV
regardless of surface.
It might even be impossible for Betty.
But to suggest braking on the front on dirt while cornering is wrong.

Also the technique described by Gerry is not riding but walking a
motorcycle.

------------------------------
When in doubt throttle out describes to me....

Throttle can give more traction.
Throttle can give more control.
Throttle is fun.
***On the way in and through leave enough room for throttle out.***
------------------------------

I am sure there are others but the last one is important.
I have done this on the Sachs Madass 125cc.
It doesnt matter what bike you are on, surface is always an issue.

Road bikes are designed for road and dirt bikes are designed for dirt.
Go to a shop and look at the differences.

You get them moving by throttle and you stop them with brakes.


:-P