From: CrazyCam on
George W Frost wrote:
> "CrazyCam" <CrazyCam(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
> news:4becf0aa$0$7966$afc38c87(a)news.optusnet.com.au...
>> Boxer wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>> Most folk, riding on road bikes, on a dodgy and unknown dirt road,
>> probably wouldn't have been doing anything within a bull's road of 120kph.
>
>
> It may be bulldust, but, within a bulls road??
> or was that an FFS moment?

A simple typo is all,
as in "bull's roar".

>> I tend to agree with Gerry, that kind of thing is nudging up there towards
>> the Dakar style of thing, or at least the serious end of "adventure"
>> riding.

> Faaarrrrkk
> someone finally agreeing with Gerry
> you been drinking too much of that muddy watery stuff that Johno tries to
> give away??

<shrug> I read what's posted here, and, sometimes comment.

If I feel that I have something, possibly only vaguely, worthwhile to
add, I'll add it.

On some days when I do this, I am even quite polite about it. ;-)

I do not ignore/killfile/automatically disagree with a posting because
of other postings that may have come from the same source.

As for the "muddy watery stuff", some of us like proper beer and stout.

regards,
CrazyCam
From: Nev.. on
On 13/05/2010 8:53 PM, bikerbetty wrote:
> "Lars Chance"<lars.chance(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:kJwGn.24363$pv.159(a)news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>> Moike wrote:
>>> Nev.. wrote:
>>
>>>> I think leaning the body and keeping the bike upright is a better
>>>> cornering policy for gravel road.
>>>>
>>
>>> Why?
>>>
>> For me it's the (perhaps) misguided belief that a tyre is elliptical and
>> thus have more contact/grip when vertical.
>> --
>> Elsie.
>
> I've been reading this thread conscientiously, and taking in everything
> people have said about riding on gravel, and you know what? It seems there
> are so many dfferent opinions about the best approach that I am going to
> just take my own bloody advice and avoid gravel altogether - a policy that
> has served me well over the years.

The only problem with a mindset which contains the firm belief that
riding on gravel is more perilous than riding on sealed roads is that
when riding on gravel is unavoidable, it becomes more perilous than
riding on sealed roads.

Nev..
'08 DL1000K8
From: Boxer on

"CrazyCam" <CrazyCam(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
news:4becf0aa$0$7966$afc38c87(a)news.optusnet.com.au...
> Boxer wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> When one hits deep sand/bulldust/gravel buttoning off the throttle is a
>> great way to bin it, standing up weight to the rear and rolling on the
>> throttle is the only way to get through it.
>
> Agreed! ...but, you do need to have some place to go, preferably, in a
> straight line.
>
> For the situation that started this, that wasn't actually an valid option
> for betty, or most of the rest of us, on road bikes, riding on a gravel
> road.
>
>> Whilst it seems scary (and I can tell you at 120 kph it is) the
>> alternative is a face plant.
>
> <shrug> There you have it.
>
> Most folk, riding on road bikes, on a dodgy and unknown dirt road,
> probably wouldn't have been doing anything within a bull's road of 120kph.
>
> I tend to agree with Gerry, that kind of thing is nudging up there towards
> the Dakar style of thing, or at least the serious end of "adventure"
> riding.
>
> regards,
> CrazyCam

True, but even at lower speeds hitting deep sand/gravel etc buttoning off
places more weight on the front end and increacing your problems.

Boxer


From: CrazyCam on
Peter wrote:
> CrazyCam <CrazyCam(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote in
> news:4becf0aa$0$7966$afc38c87(a)news.optusnet.com.au:
>
>> Boxer wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>> When one hits deep sand/bulldust/gravel buttoning off the throttle is
>>> a great way to bin it, standing up weight to the rear and rolling on
>>> the throttle is the only way to get through it.
>> Agreed! ...but, you do need to have some place to go, preferably, in
>> a straight line.
>>
>
>
> If you can go straight then braking is an option.

It is, but, if you are heading into a patch of deep sand or bulldust,
you are then faced with how to get back out.

> It is unwise to brake with the front if there is little to no traction
> and you are turning.

Absolutely correct!

>> For the situation that started this, that wasn't actually an valid
>> option for betty, or most of the rest of us, on road bikes, riding on
>> a gravel road.
>
>
> Yes it was....... depending on speed, fatigue confidence, soup
> balance........

Hang on here Peter.

Sorry, but, some things I remember, like the road to Funkytown, and
others I am a bit hazy about, like the names of everyone who was there.

Were you there?

The big, deep gravel patches were, basically, off line.

The line was, admittedly, at times, very rutted and uncomfortable, but
it wasn't actually all that loose with gravel.

>>> Whilst it seems scary (and I can tell you at 120 kph it is) the
>>> alternative is a face plant.
>> <shrug> There you have it.
>>
>> Most folk, riding on road bikes, on a dodgy and unknown dirt road,
>> probably wouldn't have been doing anything within a bull's road of
>> 120kph.
>
>
> You have to ride for the conditions and the motorcycle and also how you
> are feeling........
> Your point?

You just managed to explain it.... just add in "and to your level of
experience".

>> I tend to agree with Gerry, that kind of thing is nudging up there
>> towards the Dakar style of thing, or at least the serious end of
>> "adventure" riding.
>
> Maybe but nothing else changes.

Meaning?

> I imagine it would be difficult for most to stand and ride on a SV
> regardless of surface.

Bigger, fitter folk could probably do it.

> It might even be impossible for Betty.

Yup!

> But to suggest braking on the front on dirt while cornering is wrong.

<looks round...> Did I say that?

> Also the technique described by Gerry is not riding but walking a
> motorcycle.

Well, getting back to your statement of what I was getting at.....
if it works, how bad can it be?

> ------------------------------
> When in doubt throttle out describes to me....
>
> Throttle can give more traction.
> Throttle can give more control.
> Throttle is fun.
> ***On the way in and through leave enough room for throttle out.***
> ------------------------------


Oh, right...good....

What is the quote about something to do with "for ever complex problem
there is a nice simple answer, which is almost inevitably wrong" ?


> I am sure there are others but the last one is important.
> I have done this on the Sachs Madass 125cc.
> It doesnt matter what bike you are on, surface is always an issue.

Yes, dear.

> Road bikes are designed for road and dirt bikes are designed for dirt.
> Go to a shop and look at the differences.

Right.

> You get them moving by throttle and you stop them with brakes.


Goodness! What insight? What understanding?

I suppose, with knowledge like that, you work for the RTA.

regards,
CrazyCam
From: CrazyCam on
Peter wrote:

<snip>

> On the Australia Post course I did we had to lock up the rear on a CT110
> while on grass :-)
> I was the only one to wipe out doing this! :-)

Oh, well, in that case, I have to bow to your superior knowledge.


regards,
CrazyCam