From: CrazyCam on
BT Humble wrote:
> CrazyCam wrote:
>> As for the "muddy watery stuff", some of us like proper beer and stout.
>
> So, what did you think of my Dark Ale?

Dunno.

I never got round to it, because the ginger beer was so bloody good!

regards,
CrazyCam
From: Peter on

>>
>> If you can go straight then braking is an option.
>
> It is, but, if you are heading into a patch of deep sand or bulldust,
> you are then faced with how to get back out.
>

Even more reason not to stop/brake.


>> It is unwise to brake with the front if there is little to no
>> traction and you are turning.
>
> Absolutely correct!
>
>>> For the situation that started this, that wasn't actually an valid
>>> option for betty, or most of the rest of us, on road bikes, riding
>>> on a gravel road.
>>
>>
>> Yes it was....... depending on speed, fatigue confidence, soup
>> balance........
>
> Hang on here Peter.
>
> Sorry, but, some things I remember, like the road to Funkytown, and
> others I am a bit hazy about, like the names of everyone who was
> there.
>
> Were you there?


Maybe you would have remembered if you had a drink of my award quality
coffee.


>
> The big, deep gravel patches were, basically, off line.
>
> The line was, admittedly, at times, very rutted and uncomfortable, but
> it wasn't actually all that loose with gravel.
>


Betty's Bend had deep gravel on the outside of a left hand turn and deep
corrugations on the inside. I found Betty somewhere in the middle to
outside. Relevance?



>> You have to ride for the conditions and the motorcycle and also how
>> you are feeling........
>> Your point?
>
> You just managed to explain it.... just add in "and to your level of
> experience".
>


I think this thread has proven experiance is not that relevant.
Betty and I have been riding the same amount of time give or take a few
weeks. Last year we had around the same amount of accidents.
I bounce better!
Betty has probally done more K's touring than me.
I am guessign I have done more dirt than her.
Commute I have no idea.
You have repectfully more life experiance than me and I am guessing more
K's on two wheels.


>
>> But to suggest braking on the front on dirt while cornering is wrong.
>
> <looks round...> Did I say that?

No.
You didn't....


>
>> Also the technique described by Gerry is not riding but walking a
>> motorcycle.
>
> Well, getting back to your statement of what I was getting at.....
> if it works, how bad can it be?
>


It is all good until it goes bad.



>> ------------------------------
>> When in doubt throttle out describes to me....
>>
>> Throttle can give more traction.
>> Throttle can give more control.
>> Throttle is fun.
>> ***On the way in and through leave enough room for throttle out.***
>> ------------------------------
>
>
> Oh, right...good....
>
> What is the quote about something to do with "for ever complex problem
> there is a nice simple answer, which is almost inevitably wrong" ?
>
>


and teaching new tricks......




>
> I suppose, with knowledge like that, you work for the RTA.
>
>

Ok, now I know you are joking.
That is the same as saying I work for Telstra.

:-P
From: BT Humble on
Nev.. wrote:
> I read what you wrote. You are scared of riding on gravel and you
> employ a riding style which is far from ideal for the conditions but is
> the best you can manage given your lack of skill or confidence.
> Flapping your feet around is not good advice to give any rider, for any
> conditions. Keep your feet on the pegs and your hands on the bars, eyes
> forward, chin up, throttle open. It's not a dakar style, it's what
> riding instructors teach novice riders on the first day of rider training.

I have personally employed the "flapping your feet around" riding style
once, over the 2 days that it took me to ride the Plenty Highway on a
well-laden GPX250.

I only did the "outrigger stance" thing when I was actually riding through
bulldust beds, in first gear, at walking pace, though.


BTH

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From: PostmanPat on
On May 12, 6:50 pm,
YnRAaHVtYmxldG93bi5vcmc=(a)REGISTERED_USER_usenet.com.au (BT Humble)
wrote:
> PostmanPat wrote:
> > Heheheh...
> > *Attempts to run away,hampered by his more-recently-acquired
> > swollen,multicoloured foot*
> > I certainly can't recommend slamming a Transalpsworth of weight on it.
> > My Wedgetail Outriders should be arriving shortly...
>
> > Postman Pat the Crippled (my levers are fine though)
>
> TransTankSlap?
>
> BTH
>
> --
> Posted atwww.usenet.com.au

Nope.
Slope,dwarf,tall bike.
A lot of the damage was from straining to hold the bike upright with
just my toes,then it was all downhill--literally...(on my foot)
_Then_ the woman behind drove her 4WD into the bike--luckily she
stopped when a chain adjuster punched a hole through her bumper--no
more damage to the TA apart from the drop.
I don't _think_ she helped nudge me over first,but who knows?
Haven't enjoyed kickstarting the CT hundreds of times each day at work
and putting it onto the centrestand--in hindsight,i should've taken
four days off instead (then I could've gone for a ride...)

Incompetent Shortarse Pat
From: bikerbetty on

"PostmanPat" <postman64pat(a)yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:003e856f-e395-4d91-810e-6c0f5a7a3470(a)v12g2000prb.googlegroups.com...
On May 12, 6:50 pm,
YnRAaHVtYmxldG93bi5vcmc=(a)REGISTERED_USER_usenet.com.au (BT Humble)
wrote:
> PostmanPat wrote:
> > Heheheh...
> > *Attempts to run away,hampered by his more-recently-acquired
> > swollen,multicoloured foot*
> > I certainly can't recommend slamming a Transalpsworth of weight on it.
> > My Wedgetail Outriders should be arriving shortly...
>
> > Postman Pat the Crippled (my levers are fine though)
>
> TransTankSlap?
>
> BTH
>
> --
> Posted atwww.usenet.com.au

Nope.
Slope,dwarf,tall bike.
A lot of the damage was from straining to hold the bike upright with
just my toes,then it was all downhill--literally...(on my foot)
_Then_ the woman behind drove her 4WD into the bike--luckily she
stopped when a chain adjuster punched a hole through her bumper--no
more damage to the TA apart from the drop.
I don't _think_ she helped nudge me over first,but who knows?
Haven't enjoyed kickstarting the CT hundreds of times each day at work
and putting it onto the centrestand--in hindsight,i should've taken
four days off instead (then I could've gone for a ride...)

Incompetent Shortarse Pat

Awwww, poor Pat - I feel your pain. Oh, actually, that's MY pain.... yours
is over there behind the couch.

betty