From: Knobdoodle on
"Nev.." <idiot(a)> wrote in message
> On 15/05/2010 10:23 PM, bikerbetty wrote:

> I wouldn't listen to someone who gave such a grossly generalised and
> fearmongering advice as "DON'T TOUCH THE FRONT BRAKE!".
Well if you didn't listen how did you know to reply then Mister Smarty?!!?

[smug pointy finger coupled with gloating "uh-huh" noise]


From: Fulliautomatix on
Marty H wrote:
> On May 15, 10:23 pm, "bikerbetty" <bikerbettyatgmaildotcom> wrote:
>>"Knobdoodle" <knobdoo...(a)> wrote in message
>>>"bikerbetty" <bikerbettyatgmaildotcom> wrote:
>>>>I've been reading this thread conscientiously, and taking in everything
>>>>people have said about riding on gravel, and you know what? It seems
>>>>there are so many dfferent opinions about the best approach that I am
>>>>going to just take my own bloody advice and avoid gravel altogether - a
>>>>policy that has served me well over the years.
>>>My advice is; if you don't know what to do, try to do nothing.
>>>Don't speed up, don't brake, don't lean over, don't do ANYTHING!
>>>Just try to ride as straight a line as possible at as constant a speed as
>>>you feel save with, and try to stay in the tyre-tracks and out of the big
>>>drifts and big holes.
>>>If you have to turn, try and make it as wide an arc as you can and if you
>>>have to accelerate or brake try and do it as smoothly as you can (I'm a
>>>big fan of squeezing the back brake as I throttle-on to keep the bike
>>>steady and stop it jerking or porpoising during the change from braking to
>>>accelerating [and vice versa by holding on the throttle slightly as I
>>>brake]. Most people think this is stupid but it makes me happy.)
>>That does sound somewhat like MY strategy as well. Basically - be bloody
>>careful! Being the chickenshit that I am on dirt, and not really having a
>>clue, I've taken on board a few handy hints from ppl like Lemmiwinks, and I
>>always remember the cardinal rule, the Prime Directive - DON'T TOUCH THE
> I am so glad I saw the light and got a real bike with real tyres...
> I hammer the front brake
> but seriously...
> I did an 2 day ADV course a few weeks back and one of the exercisers
> was riding on dirt, and locking the front brake and continue on riding
> with the front brake locked, we did this for about 15 mins, out of the
> 14 riders no one dropped it, this was simply to prove that locking the
> front brake on the dirt wont bring you down, also to practise in the
> event of a front where lock up.
> With the use of counter balancing, I can brake no problems into a dirt
> corner, sure the tyres do help, but having the weight back and to the
> opposite side does alot of the work
> I know this doesn't mean anything to most here because most people
> here are riding road bikes with road tyres and riding them on dirt is
> a completely different discipline that riding a dirt style bike with
> aggressive tyres
> but it is amazing what a bit of proper training will do
> even with a Dakar winning motorcycle with knobbies, riding it like a
> road bike on the dirt road will bring you unstuck, learning to ride on
> the dirt properly on any style of motorcycle will bring better
> results. The biggest difference IMHO between riding on the road and
> the dirt is where you position your weight on the bike, in some cases
> it is the opposite.
> with the skills I learnt in the course, I could quite confidently ride
> any bike better on dirt than before the course, of course some bikes
> better than others.
> I did well over 500kms of dirt coming and going to BTs last WE and
> never had a problem with traction and I do not put that down to the
> bike or tyres, I put it down to the training I did a few weeks before
> hand.
> BTW, here is a pic of someone counter balancing and setting up for a
> corner
> staying off the dirt is one option, being taught the ride it is
> another, learning from a newsgroup IMHO is not, just too much info
> that is going in different directions (including mine)
> mh

yeah - Wot he said!!

I have an FZ-1 that goes all right in the dirt - well not dirt as such
but fine on a gravel road and it won't kill you going up a fire trail
From: Boxer on
>> You might have the machine and the skill to pull it off. A far less
>> skilled rider, on a bike less suited to the conditions, could quite
>> easily kill themselves trying what you suggest.
>> Did you actually read what I wrote?
>> =================
>> Onya bike
>> Gerry

Gerry I never read what you write, I have you killfiled, I only ever get to
see your ravings within other peoples posts.


From: TimC on
On 2010-05-13, Kevin Gleeson (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:
> On Thu, 13 May 2010 21:46:48 +1000, "bikerbetty"
> <bikerbettyatgmaildotcom> wrote:
>>"Marty H" <hytram(a)> wrote in message
>>On May 13, 8:53 pm, "bikerbetty" <bikerbettyatgmaildotcom> wrote:
>>> "Lars Chance" <lars.cha...(a)> wrote in message
>>> news:kJwGn.24363$pv.159(a)
>>> > Moike wrote:
>>> >> Nev.. wrote:
>>> >>> I think leaning the body and keeping the bike upright is a better
>>> >>> cornering policy for gravel road.
>>> >> Why?
>>> > For me it's the (perhaps) misguided belief that a tyre is elliptical and
>>> > thus have more contact/grip when vertical.
>>> > --
>>> > Elsie.
>>> I've been reading this thread conscientiously, and taking in everything
>>> people have said about riding on gravel, and you know what? It seems there
>>> are so many dfferent opinions about the best approach that I am going to
>>> just take my own bloody advice and avoid gravel altogether - a policy that
>>> has served me well over the years.
>>> betty
>>and you will miss so much of this beautiful land of ours
>>I just can't do gravel marty. Sad but true. If I don't accept my limitations
>>(not without having tested them ) I could end up missing a lot more....
>>I'm comfortable doing road-riding, and there are lots of (sealed) roads for
>>me to ride. Probably enough to fill up the 30 years of riding future I hope
>>I have left :-) As much as I would like to learn dirt riding, I'm not sure
>>that my body could take it!
>>I'm trying to be realistic here. I have arthritic spots in my spine &
>>shoulders. I have about 25% of a hamstring on my left leg. I'm short. I'm
>>unco. I'm 50.
>>None of these things are assets for the aspiring off road rider. My brain,
>>sense of humour and ability to laugh at fart jokes are stuck at 25
>>(actually, my ability to laugh at fart jokes is stuck at about 12!), but my
>>ligaments and bones aren't!
> Don't worry about it Betty. I absolutely loathe gravel on a road bike.
> I cannot deal with it. But I love riding trail bikes and quads and
> rally cars on dirt. A road bike is not set up for it.

Having said that, I had a ball coming back through a few hundred km of
dirt around Kingstown station, Lake Keepit etc, from the Ruptured
Budgie this weekend. Probably shouldn't have been doing 120km/h given
my level of experience. Yeah, probably definitely. But it was fun.
Excellent countryside around there. The bike it filthy, but I haven't
had time to clean it before the sun goes down.

> [1] That said, he always tried to pass me on the back wheel if we were
> riding together, even 2 up with his pregnant 2nd wife on the back. He
> has yet to achieve that. The laws of physics, Jim.

She just didn't lean far back enough.

Radioactive cats have 18 half-lives.
From: TimC on
On 2010-05-16, Moike (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:
> and it was the only technique that got me into and out of the Dargo High
> Plains rally a couple of years back when the track had turned to hard
> but slippery clay/mud.
> At the top of (steep) hills,I'd kill the motor, put the bike in gear and

Possibly a bit like Dungog ... every year then.

> use the clutch as a de facto rear brake while using both feet as
> outriggers.

Hmmm, will have to keep that in mind for next year.

There was a Ducati there that was far cleaner than my bike. Dunno how
they did it:

"I give up," said Pierre de Fermat's friend. "How DO you keep a
mathematician busy for 350 years?"