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From: Knobdoodle on 16 May 2010 10:49 "Nev.." <idiot(a)mindless.com> wrote in message news:Xo2dnVSINuSkZXLWnZ2dnUVZ_oGdnZ2d(a)westnet.com.au... > On 15/05/2010 10:23 PM, bikerbetty wrote: >> ... DON'T TOUCH THE FRONT BRAKE! > I wouldn't listen to someone who gave such a grossly generalised and > fearmongering advice as "DON'T TOUCH THE FRONT BRAKE!". > Well if you didn't listen how did you know to reply then Mister Smarty?!!? [smug pointy finger coupled with gloating "uh-huh" noise] -- Clem
From: Fulliautomatix on 17 May 2010 06:56 Marty H wrote: > On May 15, 10:23 pm, "bikerbetty" <bikerbettyatgmaildotcom> wrote: > >>"Knobdoodle" <knobdoo...(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >> >>news:mzqHn.24904$pv.9450(a)news-server.bigpond.net.au... >> >> >> >> >>>"bikerbetty" <bikerbettyatgmaildotcom> wrote: >>> >>>>I've been reading this thread conscientiously, and taking in everything >>>>people have said about riding on gravel, and you know what? It seems >>>>there are so many dfferent opinions about the best approach that I am >>>>going to just take my own bloody advice and avoid gravel altogether - a >>>>policy that has served me well over the years. >> >>>My advice is; if you don't know what to do, try to do nothing. >>>Don't speed up, don't brake, don't lean over, don't do ANYTHING! >>>Just try to ride as straight a line as possible at as constant a speed as >>>you feel save with, and try to stay in the tyre-tracks and out of the big >>>drifts and big holes. >>>If you have to turn, try and make it as wide an arc as you can and if you >>>have to accelerate or brake try and do it as smoothly as you can (I'm a >>>big fan of squeezing the back brake as I throttle-on to keep the bike >>>steady and stop it jerking or porpoising during the change from braking to >>>accelerating [and vice versa by holding on the throttle slightly as I >>>brake]. Most people think this is stupid but it makes me happy.) >> >>>-- >>>Clem >>>(http://xkcd.com/621/) >> >>That does sound somewhat like MY strategy as well. Basically - be bloody >>careful! Being the chickenshit that I am on dirt, and not really having a >>clue, I've taken on board a few handy hints from ppl like Lemmiwinks, and I >>always remember the cardinal rule, the Prime Directive - DON'T TOUCH THE >>FRONT BRAKE! > > > I am so glad I saw the light and got a real bike with real tyres... > > I hammer the front brake > > but seriously... > > I did an 2 day ADV course a few weeks back and one of the exercisers > was riding on dirt, and locking the front brake and continue on riding > with the front brake locked, we did this for about 15 mins, out of the > 14 riders no one dropped it, this was simply to prove that locking the > front brake on the dirt wont bring you down, also to practise in the > event of a front where lock up. > > With the use of counter balancing, I can brake no problems into a dirt > corner, sure the tyres do help, but having the weight back and to the > opposite side does alot of the work > > I know this doesn't mean anything to most here because most people > here are riding road bikes with road tyres and riding them on dirt is > a completely different discipline that riding a dirt style bike with > aggressive tyres > > but it is amazing what a bit of proper training will do > > even with a Dakar winning motorcycle with knobbies, riding it like a > road bike on the dirt road will bring you unstuck, learning to ride on > the dirt properly on any style of motorcycle will bring better > results. The biggest difference IMHO between riding on the road and > the dirt is where you position your weight on the bike, in some cases > it is the opposite. > > with the skills I learnt in the course, I could quite confidently ride > any bike better on dirt than before the course, of course some bikes > better than others. > > I did well over 500kms of dirt coming and going to BTs last WE and > never had a problem with traction and I do not put that down to the > bike or tyres, I put it down to the training I did a few weeks before > hand. > > BTW, here is a pic of someone counter balancing and setting up for a > corner > http://www.tbam.com.au/images/stories/articles/editorsblog/2010Blogs/TenereFrance/fq7c2784webbody.jpg > > staying off the dirt is one option, being taught the ride it is > another, learning from a newsgroup IMHO is not, just too much info > that is going in different directions (including mine) > > mh yeah - Wot he said!! I have an FZ-1 that goes all right in the dirt - well not dirt as such but fine on a gravel road and it won't kill you going up a fire trail
From: Boxer on 18 May 2010 03:03 >> >> You might have the machine and the skill to pull it off. A far less >> skilled rider, on a bike less suited to the conditions, could quite >> easily kill themselves trying what you suggest. >> >> Did you actually read what I wrote? >> >> ================= >> >> Onya bike >> >> Gerry Gerry I never read what you write, I have you killfiled, I only ever get to see your ravings within other peoples posts. Boxer
From: TimC on 18 May 2010 07:23 On 2010-05-13, Kevin Gleeson (aka Bruce) was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea: > On Thu, 13 May 2010 21:46:48 +1000, "bikerbetty" > <bikerbettyatgmaildotcom> wrote: > >> >> >>"Marty H" <hytram(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >>news:50144fcf-e9f8-412c-907a-6b109cbece2f(a)34g2000prs.googlegroups.com... >>On May 13, 8:53 pm, "bikerbetty" <bikerbettyatgmaildotcom> wrote: >>> "Lars Chance" <lars.cha...(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >>> >>> news:kJwGn.24363$pv.159(a)news-server.bigpond.net.au... >>> >>> > Moike wrote: >>> >> Nev.. wrote: >>> >>> >>> I think leaning the body and keeping the bike upright is a better >>> >>> cornering policy for gravel road. >>> >>> >> Why? >>> >>> > For me it's the (perhaps) misguided belief that a tyre is elliptical and >>> > thus have more contact/grip when vertical. >>> > -- >>> > Elsie. >>> >>> I've been reading this thread conscientiously, and taking in everything >>> people have said about riding on gravel, and you know what? It seems there >>> are so many dfferent opinions about the best approach that I am going to >>> just take my own bloody advice and avoid gravel altogether - a policy that >>> has served me well over the years. >>> >>> betty >> >>and you will miss so much of this beautiful land of ours >> >>mh >> >>I just can't do gravel marty. Sad but true. If I don't accept my limitations >>(not without having tested them ) I could end up missing a lot more.... >> >>I'm comfortable doing road-riding, and there are lots of (sealed) roads for >>me to ride. Probably enough to fill up the 30 years of riding future I hope >>I have left :-) As much as I would like to learn dirt riding, I'm not sure >>that my body could take it! >> >>I'm trying to be realistic here. I have arthritic spots in my spine & >>shoulders. I have about 25% of a hamstring on my left leg. I'm short. I'm >>unco. I'm 50. >> >>None of these things are assets for the aspiring off road rider. My brain, >>sense of humour and ability to laugh at fart jokes are stuck at 25 >>(actually, my ability to laugh at fart jokes is stuck at about 12!), but my >>ligaments and bones aren't! > > Don't worry about it Betty. I absolutely loathe gravel on a road bike. > I cannot deal with it. But I love riding trail bikes and quads and > rally cars on dirt. A road bike is not set up for it. Having said that, I had a ball coming back through a few hundred km of dirt around Kingstown station, Lake Keepit etc, from the Ruptured Budgie this weekend. Probably shouldn't have been doing 120km/h given my level of experience. Yeah, probably definitely. But it was fun. Excellent countryside around there. The bike it filthy, but I haven't had time to clean it before the sun goes down. > [1] That said, he always tried to pass me on the back wheel if we were > riding together, even 2 up with his pregnant 2nd wife on the back. He > has yet to achieve that. The laws of physics, Jim. She just didn't lean far back enough. -- TimC Radioactive cats have 18 half-lives.
From: TimC on 18 May 2010 07:16
On 2010-05-16, Moike (aka Bruce) was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea: > and it was the only technique that got me into and out of the Dargo High > Plains rally a couple of years back when the track had turned to hard > but slippery clay/mud. > > At the top of (steep) hills,I'd kill the motor, put the bike in gear and Possibly a bit like Dungog ... every year then. > use the clutch as a de facto rear brake while using both feet as > outriggers. Hmmm, will have to keep that in mind for next year. There was a Ducati there that was far cleaner than my bike. Dunno how they did it: http://www.flickr.com/photos/spacelama/4410463414/in/set-72157623563495076/ -- TimC "I give up," said Pierre de Fermat's friend. "How DO you keep a mathematician busy for 350 years?" |